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coalie ([personal profile] coalcube) wrote in [community profile] coaltide2025-10-26 01:46 pm
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One Wank After Another

A blank assignment is a funny thing, isn't it? When you have it, you don't appreciate it, and when you miss it, it's gone.


Wednesday 10 December: Default deadline (9pm UTC)
Wednesday 17 December: Assignment deadline (9pm UTC)
Wednesday 24 December: Main collection works reveals (9pm UTC)
Thursday 25 December: Madness collection works reveals (9pm UTC)
Thursday 1 January: Author reveals, end of event (9pm UTC)

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Re: Unpopular Opinion Time

(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Chaos option: eliminate the box for additional details in the sign up form. No DNWs, no prompts. You request one or more characters and that's it. Forget ODAO, now we're doing NDAN (no details are needed). What insane thing will your writer create from the raw clay of the characters from Macdonald Hall or Murderbot? It'll definitely be a surprise!!

(Obviously, in this scenario, letters are also eliminated. NDAN!)

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
If I wanted this I'd just open the tag and read a random badfic.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

Or not even badfic in the sense that it's badly written, just a random fic in the tag that has no elements in it that interest me.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
That's not a gift exchange, though, because some random fic that the recipient has a strong chance of hating isn't really a gift in the traditional sense of the word.

I think this would be a fun format, but not for a traditional fic exchange. (Also, commenting should be understood as optional and rejecting gifts you don't like should be encouraged.)

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
If you have a strong chance of hating a story about the fandom and characters you requested without a long DNW list bracketing it, maybe you need to reconsider why you're trying to get some stranger on the internet to write for you instead of writing what you want to see for yourself.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
CYRT

Because that's what gift exchanges are for. I try my best to write the fic of their heart for my recip according to their preferences and vice versa. You get that that's the whole point of fic exchanges for a lot of people, right?

Re: Unpopular Opinion Time

(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
That’s one of those things where the modern Yuletide doesn’t really line up with Yuletide from 20 years ago. Like I remember early on there was a lot of “omg I thought I was the only one who wanted Jo and Laurie to end up together” type stuff, people excitedly rewriting favorite childhood canons, etc, but now that it’s more “fic for a fandom that gets little to no fic” I feel like the subversive element is mostly gone and I agree it’s awkward when people request a dark canon and DNW most of the canon elements. But it’s also one of those things I can’t really see more rules fixing, just modern exchange culture.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think those two things you're contrasting are in conflict, nor do I think one has given way to the other over time. There's still plenty of the former. And "little to no fic" is a weird way to describe Yuletide when a fandom can have more than 1k fic before filters and still eligible. SOME people use Yuletide to ask for fandoms with little to no fic, but lots of others don't.

Like, I just don't recognize the supposed trend you're describing.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
DC

TBH I still see '1k before filters' as little to no fic, and I assume CYRT meant more along the lines of the various megafandoms that still end up in the tagset by virtue of a technicality.

Re: Unpopular Opinion Time

(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you dumb? Why does anyone read anything instead of writing something themselves and re-reading it? Because it's always more satisfying to read someone else's story than recycle your own brain contents over and over.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
DC

Of course it's more satisfying to get gift fic commissioned to spec, but that doesn't actually mean it's reasonable to do so.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like you to find me one dnw list that is so limiting that it forces you to literally write a commission to spec. Go on. Just one.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
So you think the only two options are no DNWs at all and long lists of DNWs? Ok!

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
DC

I mean, in terms of functionality, yes, I don't think exchanges allowing DNWs but only some (or only a certain number) are really a good idea. Limiting the number will inevitably lead to broader DNWs which makes writing harder instead of easier (like, I love smut, but if I don't have enough DNWs to DNW kinks I hate, I will DNW smut altogether, which takes an entire genre away from my writer). And saying "you're only allowed to DNW things from this list: ...." is unfairly biased towards people who have common DNWs over people who might have a few, but uncommon DNWs - someone who DNWs noncon, MCD, violence and AUs will have a great time in this exchange, whereas someone who's fine with all archive warnings but DNWs spiders and clowns is not going to risk signing up.

So, yeah, you'd either have to go for the chaos model and say "no DNWs at all" (not my idea of a gift exchange but maybe a fun type of event) or allow whatever DNWs people have to make their exchange experience good.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
This is phrased a little extremely, but you're not wrong. There are exchanges which support being very specific in your request, but Yuletide is intentionally designed to allow a lot of flexibility and I think a lot of of participants (and certainly their writers) could benefit from shifting to fandoms that are more bulletproof, rather than "I want this fandom but actually I only want shipfic of these two characters who have one conversation in canon and I also DNW any focus on the A-plot of the canon".

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Nah. Not wanting the A plot of the canon you're requesting is a Yuletide staple.

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Hard disagree. Yuletide is supposed to be about getting the beloved canons AND characters of your heart. If it wasn't about that, you'd only be allowed to nominate canons and 2003 Yuletide would have been a far different creature (it's never going to stop being funny that Harry Potter was eligible back then because of the rare pair rule). Now yeah, ODAO exists for a reason, you can prompt shipfic but not demand it, and if your DNWs try to box your writer in, the mods won't enforce them if they're unreasonable (like Aurae and her underage Star Wars smut she kept trying to make people write). But canon divergences, focuses on unseen/minor portions of canon, or coming up with a reason for why these two random characters are meant to be together are a time honored tradition that should almost never be that difficult to write 1000 words for if you're offering that canon.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-10 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, Aurae.

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We honestly need more exchanges like that these days.

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I'm pretty sure there were a few flash exchanges like that a few years ago.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
More like NDA, no details allowed. The need will still be there for some, they just won't get any.

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
cyrt You're so right, and now I see the error of my ways.

NDA! NDA!

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(Anonymous) 2025-11-08 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
The need will still be there for some

It would take a special kind of idiot to need DNWs and details and sign up for an exchange that doesn't allow them. Why on earth would anyone do that to themselves?

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You haven't actually interacted with exchange fandom people that much, have you.