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Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

Does trappings mean uniform kink here or?

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

DC

It goes beyond the uniform kink. No one is wanking about Maiden Rose or ACCA: 13.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

So what are the trappings in it, then?

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

The main character is the invented brother of an actual RL Nazi general and he fights, however reluctantly, for Hitler.

This isn't difficult to grasp, coalie.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

"the drive to lust after nazi trappings while trying to erase the actual nazism is not great"

No, it's actually really difficult to grasp. What are the trappings in the comic, if it isn't the visuals, and how is the actual nazism getting erased?

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

I wish we had as many and as dedicated butt trolls as we do Nazi sympathizers

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[(Anonymous)]

your butt is the nazi troll

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

farts are infinitely more pleasant

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

The trappings would be the fact that the main character is the brother of a famous Nazi serving in a Nazi army, and the erasure would be the fact that instead of doing the stuff the Wehrmacht was actually doing in North Africa like putting all the Jews in concentration camps where they died of typhus, this unit is just sitting around in the desert being wacky "stray puppies", to quote the author.

It's not a nuanced depiction of the lives of ordinary Germans under Nazism because the setup has been deliberately constructed so as not to confront the characters with difficult choices. They don't have to think about what it means to fight the Allies on behalf of Hitler (or conversely, let the Red Army overrun Germany) because the Allies mysteriously have no interest in attacking them. They're not being sent to do the easy or cannon-foddery shit you assign your obviously quirky and defective soldiers to do like machine-gunning civilians into trenches or besieging Stalingrad because the High Command has, for equally mysterious reasons, decided to let them spend the war sitting around in the desert with their thumbs up their asses. It's borderline apologetics, designed to generate characters as close to Nazis as humanly possible without actually making them complicit in anything bad.

If you want to kink on Nazi uniforms without getting shit for it, dress some guy up in an SS uniform and then send him shopping for bread on a made-up continent, don't do this crap.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

It's borderline apologetics, designed to generate characters as close to Nazis as humanly possible without actually making them complicit in anything bad.

ITA completely, which is why it's so frustrating to see this person pushing it on exchange fandom year after year, by now.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

How is this any different than saying that the bodice ripper genre is "borderline rape apologetics"? Their kink is problematic, no kidding, but we don't go around saying that other people need to have sufficiently realistic depictions of their kinks.

And anyway, if they are actually kinking on the uniforms or whatever, surely it's less problematic if they're kinking on characters who aren't brutally oppressing and murdering people?

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

Let’s talk again when everyone’s favorite bodice ripper series is about the fake brother of a real serial rapist.

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[(Anonymous)]

*slow clap*

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[(Anonymous)]

Can I interest you in: the BILLION dollar industry that is the True Crime genre??????

How horny on main people were for the Zefron movie about Ted Bundy?

The like 15 movies about Dahmer?

Seriously like do you not know how many fandoms are outright about actual awful people or are just about awful people with the serials filed off/“their brother”? Most fandoms don’t even bother to try to defang them, they’re straight up muderders (Hannibal) and that is what the fandom likes?????

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Fucking American Horror Story in general is a Yuletide perennial!

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to see you stay calm if someone peddled their 9/11 porn every exchange.

Characters are trying to join the Mile High Club! Turns out they're on a plane that's gotten hijacked and will crash into the world trade center, oh no! Can they finish their fuck before they die?

It's easy for you to say nazis don't real, because you're on a different continent and to you that's never been more than the fun evil antagonists from Indiana Jones or Captain America.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

Americans have had to deal with 9/11 terrorism porn peddled across something like fifty movies by now and politicians that fuck over first responders and soldiers trotting it out at minimum twice a year.

Americans also birthed the KKK, which is where Nazis pulled a good majority of their bullshit from.

They are also dealing with a huge revival of Nazism and have an actual Nazi as president.

Trying to turn this into countrywank by picking the one non-German country that is feeling the most Nazi drama right now certainly is a freezing cold take.

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[(Anonymous)]

Good lord you are dumb. White extremists are quite literally this biggest domestic threat in the USA right now. 99% of the terrorism events this year were done by Nazis and that estimate may even be me rounding down low. The fuck are you pulling 9/11 out of your ass for?

The British Army ruined many a life and country too but Age of Sail shit is still popular. Irish people have a million reasons to be bitter at any British canon. Presidential RPF is fucked up. Alexander the Great is in the tagset and we all know that wasn’t a consensual campaign.

All of this is fiction written by hobbyists bitch, get a grip.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

DC

Characters are trying to join the Mile High Club! Turns out they're on a plane that's gotten hijacked and will crash into the world trade center, oh no! Can they finish their fuck before they die?

To be honest, as an American I think that would be hilarious.

Also I'm not sure how you know what continent coalies are typing from, or how WW II factors into their personal history. I was born over here, but most of what should have been my generation in my family wasn't born anywhere because two thirds of the family got gassed. Nazis aren't an abstraction to me.

(I also think CYRT's argument is dumb as bag of rocks, but this kind of baseless ad hominem is not a refutation of it.)

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I can clearly see you think this is a gotcha, but I sure don't see why you think that.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

How is this any different than saying that the bodice ripper genre is "borderline rape apologetics"? Their kink is problematic, no kidding, but we don't go around saying that other people need to have sufficiently realistic depictions of their kinks.

People absolutely do go around saying that about other kinks, though.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

If only we had a name for those people.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

People do, and we tell them off for it, because it's bullshit.

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a nuanced depiction of the lives of ordinary Germans because it doesn't aim to be. The rest doesn't hold true for Desert Peach. Have you read it or is your comment based on googling and wank?

Re: Diamonds

[(Anonymous)]

Amusingly, those things do feature, up to and including machine-gunning civilians into trenches.

Earnest question, what do people who don't know the canon get out of wanking about it to other people who don't know the canon?