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yes we all know the ph is the only issue here. that is why it is always said that it is tedious when you act like nazism is your actual issue. it isn’t, see: every other nazi canon getting a pass.

charité at war was recced here and on ffa about ten times - nobody left so much as an “ew” comment. zero peeps re: the person asking for the canon gay couple consisting of two real life nazis who were also against the regime. a fic is in the collection for charité and it is crickets. nazis are obvi not the issue lol

charité at war was recced here and on ffa about ten times - nobody left so much as an “ew” comment. zero peeps re: the person asking for the canon gay couple consisting of two real life nazis who were also against the regime. a fic is in the collection for charité and it is crickets. nazis are obvi not the issue lol

I mean, this is what I've been saying the whole time. It's not about the canon, it's about the fact that this one specific user kinks on the real-life Third Reich and as yet fails to understand that they can't trick people into sharing their kink.

Being a reoccurring PH isn’t something anyone controls and is a staple of
small fandom-dom.

Misfire?

To a point. Aquatics dropped a fandom every time they got a fic in it and signed up to new exchanges for niche kinks when they were already lingering in multiple other exchanges.

DC

No, as people have explained at length, it's Aquatics' persistent twattery re. Nazis that is the issue.

but explain to me how that is different from “i’m looking for canon gay! happy endings please” > “c@w has nazi soldiers that fall in love and work to subvert the system in the final months of the war. they’re based off real dudes who got a happy ending” for months over meme? it’s someone pimping their canon with nazis multiple times.

so the issue only comes in if they’re an active exchange participant that ends up on the ph list a lot? i guess i’m missing how they’re jedi mind tricking people to get into dp but a fandom like c@w is fine. in seven months, if the fans are still pitching it, then it becomes an issue?

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NCYRT

Because one is "this fits your request but jsyk it's about Nazis" and the other is "this is so hot and cute (5 comments later) oh, well, you've found out it's about Nazis, I guess everyone can't be as dispassionate as I am and properly appreciate how brave and adorable the Wehrmacht was"

In your example, the c@w reccer warns everyone about the Nazis in the first comment so they can stop pursuing the rec if they draw the line at Nazis. They don't string them along for five comments or encourage them to go searching through the tags and blunder into them. If they played coy in that obnoxious way Aquatics does, they would suck too.

I don't actually care about the pinch hit thing, although it would probably be prudent for Aquatics to recognize that Desert Peach is a very niche fandom more suited to Yuletide and the few other large exchanges like ToT than to small ones where it's very unlikely to get a match.

I don't want Nazis in Yuletide, TOT or anywhere else. There's often hidden ugly anti-Semitism in fandom but this really is something else.

DA

I don't want actual Nazis in fandom (or, like, anywhere, ideally). That doesn't mean I have a problem with canons and fanfic featuring Nazis.

Does meme wankers’ insistence that of course the real thing is bad but all of our instincts, experiences, and boundaries about the real thing are wrong count as gaslighting? Because this feels like gaslighting.

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I have both written and enjoyed fanfic for fandoms like, let's say, Hogan's Heroes where the whole point of the show was making fun of Nazis. Most of the Nazi characters were actually played by Jewish men who had to be convinced to do it. And the stories I have written have shown some of the German characters as sekritly anti-Nazi and working toward that end. The stories I've enjoyed are the same.

I'm genuinely curious if this makes me an asshole in some people's eyes, given the whole Desert Peach discussion. I would hope not, but if so, I'd love to discuss it.

Ars_belli and Heeroluva are gone. Dewclawsfucker is next hopefully. Aquatics seems lower down on the scale of “tangibly problematic participants that harm people by being in exchanges.” They can’t even recruit right.

Idk, is there a Charité At War fan who modcalls people for not thinking Himmler is hot?

NA

Honestly I wish I could modcall now. Neither side of this debate should have airtime because it has nothing to do with Yuletide/exchanges.

Someone could request Bob Does 9/11 for Yuletide next year.

ayrt

Your bad writing doesn’t have enough traction to get a fandom, sadly. It’ll be aquatics 2.0 with nonstop IPHs.

Work with what a real pro made if your 9/11 boner is so hard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_based_on_the_September_11_attacks

Yes, the fact aquatics makes sure everyone is constantly aware of her and her canon is a big part of the problem. How are people supposed to know they’d also hate a completely different canon they’ve never heard of? What kind of gotcha do you think that is?

DC

That and I'm at least provisionally prepared to believe that Charité at War actually is a nuanced look at the lives of ordinary Germans under Nazism, instead of whatever fetishy borderline apologetics shit is going on with Desert Peach. It may be less intrinsically hate-worthy.

I don't know; I haven't seen it. But it seems unlikely to me that German prestige television would produce something that dodgy on this topic.

If someone likes it for the “wrong” reasons doesn’t that pretty much negate whatever the canon is trying to do? We aren’t making spec scripts for future episodes or what have you, we’re writing fanfiction.

I guess its a YMMV thing but I believe that messy fandoms can have nuanced requests and people fan make the most messy requests of nuanced fandoms. Just because the source is morally good doesn’t mean you can’t request ‘A/B save Rohm’s life at the hospital and they run off to live together as an OT3’.

Yeah, that's all true... and every year Coal devotes some time to side-eyeing messy requests in fandoms that have no Nazis at all. I'm sure if there were obviously Nazi-fetishy c@w requests we'd be wanking about those too.

But when someone is busily pimping a canon it obviously matters whether the canon itself is dodgy, and if their pimping behavior involves the sort of sketchy bait-and-switch tactics Aquatics likes to use, that's going to reinforce people's doubts about the canon because look at the creepy fans it apparently attracts.

the gotcha is that this and similar fandoms have been recced a lot too and your eyes seem to have glazed over them. clearly you are capable of doing it for dp too. the issue is that they end up on the ph lists a lot which you apparently stalk? that is the only difference between her dp pimping and c@w/similar’s pimping which bothers you not at all.

Why do you keep digging yourself into this hole?

ph lists a lot which you apparently stalk

That is... what pinch hitters do. It’s how pinch hits get picked up.

Anyway, it’s clearly not similar pimping since I’m one of those ~stalkers and have never heard of it before you pulled this bit of whataboutism. Dememe pulls up one result, which admittedly mentions another rec. If you’re talking about YT pimping, fine, but those posts are not even the start of people’s issues.

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