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No, as people have explained at length, it's Aquatics' persistent twattery re. Nazis that is the issue.

but explain to me how that is different from “i’m looking for canon gay! happy endings please” > “c@w has nazi soldiers that fall in love and work to subvert the system in the final months of the war. they’re based off real dudes who got a happy ending” for months over meme? it’s someone pimping their canon with nazis multiple times.

so the issue only comes in if they’re an active exchange participant that ends up on the ph list a lot? i guess i’m missing how they’re jedi mind tricking people to get into dp but a fandom like c@w is fine. in seven months, if the fans are still pitching it, then it becomes an issue?

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NCYRT

Because one is "this fits your request but jsyk it's about Nazis" and the other is "this is so hot and cute (5 comments later) oh, well, you've found out it's about Nazis, I guess everyone can't be as dispassionate as I am and properly appreciate how brave and adorable the Wehrmacht was"

In your example, the c@w reccer warns everyone about the Nazis in the first comment so they can stop pursuing the rec if they draw the line at Nazis. They don't string them along for five comments or encourage them to go searching through the tags and blunder into them. If they played coy in that obnoxious way Aquatics does, they would suck too.

I don't actually care about the pinch hit thing, although it would probably be prudent for Aquatics to recognize that Desert Peach is a very niche fandom more suited to Yuletide and the few other large exchanges like ToT than to small ones where it's very unlikely to get a match.

I don't want Nazis in Yuletide, TOT or anywhere else. There's often hidden ugly anti-Semitism in fandom but this really is something else.

DA

I don't want actual Nazis in fandom (or, like, anywhere, ideally). That doesn't mean I have a problem with canons and fanfic featuring Nazis.

Does meme wankers’ insistence that of course the real thing is bad but all of our instincts, experiences, and boundaries about the real thing are wrong count as gaslighting? Because this feels like gaslighting.

CYRT

I don't even understand what you're saying.

I also want any actual rapists in fandom, but I want all the noncon fic to stay. That's exactly the same principle for me.

Real ass-show of a typo there, huh.

*rolls eyes* You understood my point, didn't you?

If you see red flags and don’t want to mess with her, that is really easy for you to do. You don’t share fandoms, you let the mod know not to let her match to you in case she offers yours, and you are golden. Not a single person is saying for you not to engage with them if you think they are a full on white supremacist with Nazi ideology.

That doesn’t mean you get to make that decision for other people who see it as a normal small fandom behavior for someone trying to make their fandom happen when it never will. They are free to not care a wink and ignore them once they decide the fandom is/isn’t for them.

Dog whistling so much that people see anti red flags from you while you insist that you are the one person who does all this anti behavior yet isn’t a big wanky mess is gaslighting too, by that standard.

+1

(Except I don't think either is gaslighting.)

ayrt

(I don’t either.)

+1 Pretty much this.

Dog whistling

Oh, the irony.

I have both written and enjoyed fanfic for fandoms like, let's say, Hogan's Heroes where the whole point of the show was making fun of Nazis. Most of the Nazi characters were actually played by Jewish men who had to be convinced to do it. And the stories I have written have shown some of the German characters as sekritly anti-Nazi and working toward that end. The stories I've enjoyed are the same.

I'm genuinely curious if this makes me an asshole in some people's eyes, given the whole Desert Peach discussion. I would hope not, but if so, I'd love to discuss it.

Ars_belli and Heeroluva are gone. Dewclawsfucker is next hopefully. Aquatics seems lower down on the scale of “tangibly problematic participants that harm people by being in exchanges.” They can’t even recruit right.

Idk, is there a Charité At War fan who modcalls people for not thinking Himmler is hot?

NA

Honestly I wish I could modcall now. Neither side of this debate should have airtime because it has nothing to do with Yuletide/exchanges.

Someone could request Bob Does 9/11 for Yuletide next year.

ayrt

Your bad writing doesn’t have enough traction to get a fandom, sadly. It’ll be aquatics 2.0 with nonstop IPHs.

Work with what a real pro made if your 9/11 boner is so hard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_based_on_the_September_11_attacks

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