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[(Anonymous)]

Exchanges are exchanges. Someone writes a fic, they get a fic. As long as a fandom/pairing/trope is within the scope of the exchange, it’s not doing anything wrong.

Hate aquatics all you like but being against people who are PHs (regular or otherwise) means that you don’t understand the purpose of exchanges. If you want something where fics go up regardless and everyone who writes isn’t guaranteed a gift, exchanges aren’t for you.

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

I don't know what about "exchanges are not commissions" was unclear to you. Exchanges are not for purchasing fics to your specifications, whether you're paying in money or in writing. They are a fun activity for fans to do together. If no one wants to write your Third Reich fetish, you cannot use the exchange system to force people to.

[(Anonymous)]

You aren’t entitled to a fic with your optional details, no. You cannot demand one specific plot be written. You *are* entitled to a fic in your fandoms with your characters. It is the whole point of exchanges. That is hardly a gun to anyone’s head. Nobody is forced to offer any fandom. It is not a commission or being unreasonable to sign up for a fic in Fandom X when the mods literally approved Fandom X.

If a fandom being too rare bothers you then more power to you. Do exchanges like Not Prime Time and make exchanges with some level of popularity requirement. Maybe Flash Exchanges where people can pick whatever fandom they want to write for you is more your speed, I don’t know, but things like Yuletide, CB, ToT, MM Rares, FemslashEx, GenEx, Nonconathon, and most other exchanges are not for you if you think asking for 3-10 fandoms and wanting fic in one of those fandoms is a sin.

[(Anonymous)]

If a fandom being too rare bothers you

You're shitting me, aquatics.

[(Anonymous)]

I could not care about aquatics. My issue is with you saying that people that are frequent PHs are in any way an issue or abnormality in the exchange world. There have been repeat PH people in the past and there will be many more once aquatics finally leaves. Being one doesn’t make someone a blight on the exchange scene and it certainly isn’t like asking for a damn commission.

[(Anonymous)]

God, I wish mods were big enough assholes to not approve these fandoms anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an exchange mod and you bet I'm going to reject this fandom if it's nominated when my exchange comes around. I doubt I'm the only one, given that the exchange I mod is not one of the ones where this would be even more inappropriate than usual.

[(Anonymous)]

I will participate in solidarity if I am even a little able ✊

[(Anonymous)]

Outside of exchanges where it's categorically inappropriate (like Purimgifts) I'd be worried about collateral damage to fans who aren't blatantly into the canon specifically to satisfy a real-world-Nazis kink/who aren't interpersonally creepy to an extreme degree about the canon, but, well, I think this year has shown that no one other than this specific bad actor would be affected by this choice.

[(Anonymous)]

No one would know, honestly. Anyone outside of the nommer would assume it wasn’t nommed. If the nommer tried to kick up wank, mod could say they didn’t see it but maybe the Ao3 system ate it/their nom didn’t save? Anyway noms are closer, try again next year!

[(Anonymous)]

OTOH I don't know why one wouldn't just ban this specific bad actor.

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, banning people from exchanges for acting like twats on anonmemes seems like a slippery slope.

[(Anonymous)]

You could, it would be the same principle if you wanted to avoid wank. Either the wanker says nothing and nobody knows or it plays out like this:

Wanker: I signed up but...the mod deleted it, wtf?
Mod: Ao3 must have eaten it or you didn’t save? Sorry, try again next year.

Bans are private anyway. It isn’t like the mods put up a list with the names of everyone that defaulted or wrote a DNW.

[(Anonymous)]

That's assuming they wouldn't raise a fuss and bring it to the mod before sign ups start, which would be early enough for the mod to add it in. And this excuse only flies one round, because if you did the same thing in two years, it would be very obvious.

Basically, you're a lying, shitty mod and it will eventually catch up on you. If you had any sort of backbone, you'd outright ban them or the fandom and face the wank. Because you can bet that even tons of people with no interest in that fandom would raise a fuss because if mods will stop approving technically eligible fandoms randomly, what's to stop them from rejecting some other fandom they personally dislike?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT would be happy to state outright in the rules that sympathetic portrayals of Nazi Germany are not admissible.

[(Anonymous)]

So would you ban things like Gone With The Wind too? Because I find that just as sickening. Or hell, even Hamilton. It honestly turns my stomach they have Jefferson played by a Black man.

I wouldn’t ask you in the abstract, because I don’t think mods should make those calls, but I sure as fuck would if you make a moral stand like that.

[(Anonymous)]

It honestly turns my stomach they have Jefferson played by a Black man.

Overplaying your hand a little here, racist troll.

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

Nope. I’m 100% sincere. I hate that fucking musical. There are plenty of good stories about Black people set in that period and it’s ridiculous that instead of telling one of them, they decided to gloss over the racist abuses of the founding fathers by casting them as people of color. The fact that the only white person in the play is King George, when England was vastly more inviting to Black people and former enslaved people, is horrific. Many former enslaved people fought on the side of the British because they were far more credible at offering them freedom.

I don’t think anyone is morally wrong for enjoying the fandom or writing fic in, I understand why some POC like it, but I hate it with every once of my being and if we are going to ban things with sympathetic portrayals of Nazis, I want the musical that sympathetically portrays anti-Black slaveholders banned too.

[(Anonymous)]

TBH sometimes a hard “they’re banned because I say so” is what #leadership means. I don’t doubt her defenders are thinking “but what about MY pet dark fandom??” or “but what about the time I lingered three exchanges in a row???” but sometimes the one person just sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Hamilton hating coalie from downthread would vastly prefer just banning Aquatics over trying to make it a generalizable moral stand, because honesty, I’m preemptively annoyed and hurt about the inevitable dismissal of all the complaints about anti-Black or colonialist canons. I don’t mind people being fannish about those things, but it would really suck to hear someone try to explain to me why such-and-such canon is not *really* as bad as Nazis, because in fact, they don’t find whatever exchange regular who loves it as bad as Aquatics.

[(Anonymous)]

She'd throw a fit, but she does that everyday anyway. Think of how much better exchanges would be without her.

[(Anonymous)]

That rule won't help you with Desert Peach. Think of it as trying to ban fictional Schindler's Lists, not fictional Triumph of the Wills.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that's not true at all, is it.

It would be perfectly easy to have a rule that says: canons with sympathetic portrayals of Righteous Among the Nations Nazis are fine; canons with sympathetic portrayals of Nazi generals who helped Hitler conquer Europe and never lifted a finger to help his victims until it became obvious he was going to destroy Germany too are not.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s weird that there aren’t more big/megafandom-specific panfandom exchanges. I guess because so many allow everything from fandoms of 0 to MCU it doesn’t matter, but you would think there would be some market? Do people just stick to the monofandom fests or at that big a level do people break off into ship-based ones and don’t fuck with multifandom anything...

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, tumblr exchanges sound perfect for them. They should go do those.