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[(Anonymous)]

Or The Pianist, I guess? It shows Nazi Germany as being horrible, but I'm sure someone people who consider the one good guy officer enough for a ban.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, if you think a character sparing one guy from the mass murder he's happily engaged in because he's a good musician counts as a "sympathetic portrayal", that sounds like a you problem.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

How is that different from the fandoms you want to ban, then? Where do you draw the line at "sympathetic portrayal"? And I assumed your "sympathetic portrayal" assumption wasn't just for the canon but also for the request - and yes, the majority Pianist fic that was written after the movie came out would absolutely count as sympathetic for me, considering that 90% of it was sappy shipfic.

[(Anonymous)]

NC

Where do you draw the line at "sympathetic portrayal"?

If I were the mod? Wherever the fuck I'd felt the line belonged to.

[(Anonymous)]

So, hot evil Hollywood Nazis only, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe if you were the mod.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate this kind of modding. It's like the Nonconathon mods being all "we can't give a clear definition of noncon vs. dubcon, but dubcon is not allowed". It's perfectly fine to draw lines of what should and should be allowed in your exchange, but for fuck's sake, explain where they are in advance. People who can't do this, should stay away from modding.

[(Anonymous)]

And yet, nonconathon runs fine. And we all know the dubcon ban is to avoid the types who think fucking after a few beers counts as dubious.

[(Anonymous)]

What it is actually for and how it works are two different things.

[(Anonymous)]

Just skip the exchanges with rules and modding you don't like, and let the people who are fine with them participate in peace.

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of hilarious that you're saying this in a thread wanking about how mods should ban Aquatics / canons with Nazis instead of skipping the exchanges that don't do it and let people who are fine with them participate in peace...

[(Anonymous)]

You're up for checking out all the canons yourself to judge and not just going off popular opinion or wikis, I'm sure. 🙄

[(Anonymous)]

Your persistent assumption that if we'd only read ALL of it (because you give this shit to people who've read a lot of it), we'd magically convert to Nazi kink, is super creepy, dude.

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

I'm not who you assume I am and have no interest in reading any of Desert Peach. I just see a huge issue with putting that kind of judgment on your shoulders from my own experience as a mod. Best either to ban all media featuring nazis or allow all. Or some other concrete rule. Putting your subjective opinions as the authority, especially without looking at the direct source which no one has time for, will not end well.

[(Anonymous)]

NCRT

You spending a year insisting someone has done that, when no-one has, is also pretty creepy. Why are you so obsessed with getting converted into Nazi kink?

[(Anonymous)]

I'd draw the distinction at:
- Was the sympathetically portrayed supporter of the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party trying to stop leopards from eating people's faces before the leopards tried to eat their/Germany's face? (Schindler is fine; Erwin Rommel and not)
- Were they a mentally competent adult at the time they pledged their support? (Jojo Rabbit is fine)
- Is the portrayal in fact sympathetic? (Canons where Nazis are sparing individual Jews for obviously transactional reasons like they're fucking them or they appreciate their piano skills, designed to highlight the grotesquerie of the situation, are fine)

The majority of Hannibal fic is sappy Hannigram shipfic, but it doesn't mean the canon is sympathetic to cannibalism. These edge cases are not actually hard to arbitrate.

[(Anonymous)]

Judging from your comment re: Hannibal, I'd say you simply have a vastly different definition of "sympathetic portrayal" than I do.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't sum these. You'd specifically ban all portrayals where individual Nazis (defined as everyone in the armed forces) o

[(Anonymous)]

do things that aren't in support of the regime, unless it's for personal gain?

[(Anonymous)]

Clearly, everything that features somewhat nuanced three-dimensional portrayals of characters needs to be banned. No moral shades of grey ever.

[(Anonymous)]

What? No, obviously you can be drafted into the Wehrmacht and never ideologically support the party or the regime. But that's not the position of someone like Rommel (or Schindler, for that matter).

If a Nazi is, say, war profiteering on the black market, he may be undermining the Third Reich but it's hardly an act of resistance. The same applies to protecting individual Jews for reasons of blatant self-interest. At the end of the war Himmler had some insane plan to convince the Allies he was a good guy by freeing everyone at Ravensbrück. If he'd gone through with it this would not have made him a heroic figure analogous to Schindler, and you could easily make a movie about that alternate history without it qualifying as a sympathetic portrayal.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so confused. Which of these six are you banning?

[(Anonymous)]

Not that hard, huh.

Did you think Der Untergang was Nazi apologist? What about your acquaintances? All in agreement there?

[(Anonymous)]

DC who think this proposed rule is ridiculous

I think Der Untergang is actually a pretty clear-cut case. But what about something like Black Book or even Das Boot?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...Jojo Rabbit definitely had sympathetic adult Nazi characters (Sam Rockwell and Alfie Allen), so.