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[(Anonymous)]

I'd draw the distinction at:
- Was the sympathetically portrayed supporter of the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party trying to stop leopards from eating people's faces before the leopards tried to eat their/Germany's face? (Schindler is fine; Erwin Rommel and not)
- Were they a mentally competent adult at the time they pledged their support? (Jojo Rabbit is fine)
- Is the portrayal in fact sympathetic? (Canons where Nazis are sparing individual Jews for obviously transactional reasons like they're fucking them or they appreciate their piano skills, designed to highlight the grotesquerie of the situation, are fine)

The majority of Hannibal fic is sappy Hannigram shipfic, but it doesn't mean the canon is sympathetic to cannibalism. These edge cases are not actually hard to arbitrate.

[(Anonymous)]

Judging from your comment re: Hannibal, I'd say you simply have a vastly different definition of "sympathetic portrayal" than I do.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't sum these. You'd specifically ban all portrayals where individual Nazis (defined as everyone in the armed forces) o

[(Anonymous)]

do things that aren't in support of the regime, unless it's for personal gain?

[(Anonymous)]

Clearly, everything that features somewhat nuanced three-dimensional portrayals of characters needs to be banned. No moral shades of grey ever.

[(Anonymous)]

Where's anyone arguing Desert Peach should be banned?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have an opinion about Desert Peach. At this point, I would just like to know what coalie upthread would want to ban. Like, give us an example. And explain how it's sympathetic in ways things they just said were fine are not.

[(Anonymous)]

You are just so predictable.

[(Anonymous)]

There are some very fine people on both sides!

[(Anonymous)]

What? No, obviously you can be drafted into the Wehrmacht and never ideologically support the party or the regime. But that's not the position of someone like Rommel (or Schindler, for that matter).

If a Nazi is, say, war profiteering on the black market, he may be undermining the Third Reich but it's hardly an act of resistance. The same applies to protecting individual Jews for reasons of blatant self-interest. At the end of the war Himmler had some insane plan to convince the Allies he was a good guy by freeing everyone at Ravensbrück. If he'd gone through with it this would not have made him a heroic figure analogous to Schindler, and you could easily make a movie about that alternate history without it qualifying as a sympathetic portrayal.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so confused. Which of these six are you banning?

[(Anonymous)]

Only the pro-Rommel media, eg. Desert Peach.

[(Anonymous)]

Not that hard, huh.

Did you think Der Untergang was Nazi apologist? What about your acquaintances? All in agreement there?

[(Anonymous)]

DC who think this proposed rule is ridiculous

I think Der Untergang is actually a pretty clear-cut case. But what about something like Black Book or even Das Boot?

[(Anonymous)]

I mentioned Der Untergang because it's the most blatantly clear-cut case possible to many people, it's just that people completely disagree on what that case is.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...Jojo Rabbit definitely had sympathetic adult Nazi characters (Sam Rockwell and Alfie Allen), so.