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[(Anonymous)]

If you thought Inglourious Basterds or World on Fire were sympathetic to the Nazis that seems like more of a you issue, honestly.

Bent is probably out by this criterion, but since it has all of one fanwork for it on AO3, and that not produced for an exchange as far as I can tell, that seems like a sacrifice fandom can afford to bear.

[(Anonymous)]

that seems like a sacrifice fandom can afford to bear.

Fandom "can bear" sacrificing all the tiny fandoms (and honestly, all the large ones too), but the question is: why should it have to, when the easiest solution is 'don't offer or request fandoms and ships you find offensive'.

[(Anonymous)]

Because that solution is insufficient to solve the problem of Aquatics.

Really, Nazi kinksters in fandom should be taking this whole kerfuffle as a salutary lesson in why they shouldn't be assholes about their weird kink. If Aquatics weren't such a consistently bad actor no one would be lobbying for Desert Peach to be banned either.

[(Anonymous)]

Except there is no problem with Aquatics other than their weird behaviour on FFA, and you're not going to get rid of that by banning their fandoms in an exchange. I dare say that problem would probably go away if everyone ignored it for long enough.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, people have been ignoring their creepy recruitment attempts for years now and they're still at it. Some wankers are persistent.

The reason people don't want to write for them in exchanges is their weird behaviour on FFA, so these two things aren't unrelated. If they just quietly nominated Desert Peach among a slate of more matchable fandoms for most exchanges and then requested it along with some other rare ones for Yuletide, most people would have no issue with them or with the nomination. In fact, they did match on it this Yuletide, and got a fic, and the initial response here on Coal was "Oh, I'm happy for them." It was only when they pulled their creepy bait-and-switch routine over at FFA that all the Nazi wank resumed.

I think it's a problem that they're making people uncomfortable in exchanges, and since I'm against banning individual exchange participants for behaving badly on anonmemes when they haven't actually broken any exchange rules, making the canon about which they've been creepy ineligible is a better solution.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't think people not wanting to write for them is a problem. Have they held up any exchanges at all this year? They certainly held up fewer exchanges than I did, and I have a good egg rep and fandoms that are very low on the 'problematic' scale. They always seem to find PHers very quickly, and nonnies/coalies blow this up into a problem that doesn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

This just straight-up isn’t true. I don’t know how you thought this could float like there weren’t dozens of exchange participants who watched them linger in multiple exchanges simultaneously. And, again, those exchanges not collapsing is a testament to PHers, not how actually aquatics is totes fine and not at a strain on exchanges.

[(Anonymous)]

There is a difference between lingering and actually holding up an exchange. Which exchanges did Aquatics hold up?

And, again, those exchanges not collapsing is a testament to PHers

And how are you so certain they all found writing for them a hardship?

[(Anonymous)]

NC

I'm not everybody but when I wrote for them I only did it so the collection could open. I didn't specifically want to consume a lengthy new canon I knew they would stop requesting immediately when they received a fill for it, but nobody else was volunteering.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe the solution is Time-Travelling Victoria II: Electric Boogaloo.

[(Anonymous)]

Exchanges not collapsing is always a testament to PHs. That is true to every single exchange, and not just the ones where Aquatics takes part. I've been a PH in 7 exchanges in 2019, and I think acting like pinch hitters are only for emergency clean-up after problem participants is really doing them a disservice. Without them, we all would be fucked.

[(Anonymous)]

And, again, those exchanges not collapsing is a testament to PHers

That it is. Make Aquatics go away, and we'll still have lingering pinch hits, just like we did before they started doing exchanges, just like we've had while they've been doing exchanges. They're a feature, not a bug, of the way exchanges are set up, and oversaturation drives the number up. If you want fewer pinch hits, you need to make changes to the rules most multifandom exchanges currently use. All the flash exchanges popping up might be a sign the current system is getting obsolete.

[(Anonymous)]

How many different ways to do you need to be told it’s the chronic IPH and the content and their behavior?

[(Anonymous)]

+1 It's not about the mere fact of being a pinch hit, that happens to all of us. Insofar as the PHs come into it, it's about using the exchange system as a commission-slash-hostage system for content they're very aware that no one else is interested in, but more broadly it's about their interpersonal behavior, which lies on a spectrum from "creepy" to "screaming pro-Nazi meltdown."

[(Anonymous)]

I thought this subthread was about pinch hits, which are a concrete thing that can be affected by rule changes. Your solution is to do nothing to fix that problem, if it is a problem, and hope banning aquatics from exchanges changes their interpersonal behavior?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes?