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Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who backread the conversation in that discord myself, I'll say that I never got a mocking tone from what was said. It was more bafflement that what seemed to have filled your prompt well from an outsider's perspective and didn't have a DNW was so bad from your perspective that it might require an EPH. When you gave a second reason after the first reason wasn't enough for the EPH, there was more confusion that you hadn't included that second reason in the first email, and that's when it seemed like you were just fishing for any reason that would get the EPH. EO did come into the conversation with a pretty shitty bad-faith take, but mostly everyone else in the conversation was just trying to understand why you thought the EPH was needed, and that speculation took off in a way that it often does in every other discord about BFE I've ever seen.

Your emails were never quoted in their entirety, only snippets, or paraphrased. No one was judging your ships or your taste.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't get the impression that there is any particular bad faith against you among anyone else but EO and the RS mod. It really was just trying to figure out what made the piece so bad, since it had seemed fine and like it was fulfilling your prompts very well. You've been a fine participant in one exchange I run, and this didn't change my opinion of you.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t even think there was animosity from the RS mod. I think they should have been more discreet, but the tone I got from them was more anxiety than umbrage.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Were you one of the +1ers on that shitty message?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

DC

Which one?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

No, I wasn't online at the time and I don't emoji react when I'm backreading.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Your emails were never quoted in their entirety, only snippets, or paraphrased.

Why do you continue to lie about this? Their correspondence is copy/pasted right fucking there for us all to see: both the original complaint and the follow up response.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

DC

Where is the lie?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

What do you mean?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

You've been a fine participant in one exchange I run, and this didn't change my opinion of you.

this is a crazy way to phrase it after everything revealed in this thread, btw.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

It seems fine?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

That's fucking nuts. It's putting all the blame on the recip and acting as if mods including EO did nothing wrong.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

We've all seen the quotes. Why are you lying about this?

Everyone here can judge for themselves and it's really fucking obvious that yes, you guys were mocking.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I guess it tells us a lot about the general tenor of conversation in there if members don't consider this particularly bad. Yeesh.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

For real.

"mostly everyone else in the conversation was just trying to understand why you thought the EPH was needed, and that speculation took off in a way that it often does in every other discord about BFE I've ever seen."

Even if that were true, this isn't just any discord about BFE. This is a mod discord that should be held to a higher standard. It's simply inappropriate for the RS mod to be speculating amongst other mods about possible bad-faith motives from a participant who has put themself in the vulnerable position of coming to them, the person in power, to ask for help.

But imo it is not true. The level of 'speculation' here would be inappropriate even if it were happening in EAD among regular participants, ESPECIALLY what was coming from the RS mod. Their messages were particularly egregious to me. I maybe wouldn't call it "mocking", necessarily, but it was certainly not innocent confusion "just trying to understand".

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

You have seen selected quotes that include shitty ones.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

If mods disagree that these quotes are representative, they're welcome to post contradictory evidence. But so far all the naysayers have been proven wrong so I doubt that'll happen.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, and that proves that there were shitty comments that mocked the recip.

Like, what are you even arguing here? That the shitty comments that have been quoted and that you have now admitted exist somehow... don't matter because there are additional, possibly less-shitty comments that weren't quoted?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, it's so very generous of you that your opinion of the participant hasn't changed. Your conduct should inspire us all to be more kind.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

You would think this whole unfortunate situation would inspire us all to be kinder to each other, but lol.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off somewhere else.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Lmao what? Either you have wildly different standards for good-faith neutral discussions of issues or this is approaching some gaslighting BS.

"you really can't please everyone no matter what you do" <- implying recip has unreasonably high standards

"maybe they're just throwing spaghetti at the wall trying to figure out which buttons to push to get another gift" <- speculating that recip calculating and greedy

"i'm just like have they never gotten a gift they felt 'meh' about before?? just leave a short comment and move on*" <- mocking them for overreacting

-"- i wonder if they thought i wouldn't verify...? and would just be like 'omg so sorry, i'll put you out for eph' idk lol*" <- if we're going by the definition of "mocking" that involves making fun of someone, I'd say the 'lol' qualifies if the tone weren't overtly clear enough already.

And so on and so forth.

Genuinely WTF are you talking about?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

1 and 3 are not mocking in the context I read them in.

2 and 4 are absolutely bad faith. I don't know if they're precisely mocking but they're as unpleasant as mocking. They're implying the recipient is calculating and greedy, which is completely uncalled for.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't get the impression that there is any particular bad faith against you among anyone else but EO and the RS mod.

18 +1 reactions on some pretty garbage bad faith takes from the RS mod are pretty solid evidence.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

Your emails were never quoted in their entirety, only snippets, or paraphrased.
This is a deliberate lie. My follow-up email was shared in its entirety, as evidenced by this comment:
https://coaltide.dreamwidth.org/9042.html?thread=20022866#cmt20022866
If you parent some up, you'll also see some mod coalies trying to gaslight me into believing that I was wrong to assume so, and maliciously contradicting the mod coalies who were being honest. Thankfully I haven't seen my first email being posted on coaltide*, but if you really want to prove that, unlike my other email, it wasn't leaked on discord, you're welcome to send me evidence privately. Or link a screenshot on coal for other participants.
*However, some "It's not that bad / There's only one asshole" coalie made sure to post revealing information about my EPH request, which I find to be both in bad faith and bad taste

You've been a fine participant in one exchange I run
Can you contact me on discord? Same username as AO3.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

Also I was an exchange mod recently. Can I be added to the discord server like the other mods? Like sorry for sounding cheeky but that's the reality of facts lol, so deadass question: can you guys add me?