One Wank After Another

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[(Anonymous)]

Just reread the signup after rereading canon to make sure and realized that once again my recip has dnw'd a major element of canon without elaborating. Why would you DNW "genderswap" in a canon where one of the requested characters is canonically magically genderfluid and another one is a different character's "female counterpart" from another universe??

Oh yeah because you copy-pasted boilerplate dnws into all eight of your prompts. I guess you're getting very boring fic and I'm using that "don't have to write all requested characters" tag!

[(Anonymous)]

one of the requested characters is canonically magically genderfluid and another one is a different character's "female counterpart" from another universe

I wouldn't assume either of these would be affected by a genderswap DNW.

[(Anonymous)]

"DNW genderswap" means do not change whatever is canonically going on with the characters' genders. If those are the characters' canonical genders, just... do not swap them for something different.

[(Anonymous)]

If what the character is canonically doing is swapping genders.... it's covered by a genderswap DNW.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not.

[(Anonymous)]

DC

"Genderswap" is a specific trope. A character being canonically genderfluid, and a character being a different character's female alter ego are very clearly not that trope.

[(Anonymous)]

Genderfluidity is not "swapping genders." The character's gender identity is "genderfluid." Swapping their gender would mean writing ... I don't know, rigid cishet hypermasculinity? Tradwife femininity?

[(Anonymous)]

No genderswap means the canonically genderfluid character remains genderfluid and the canonically female character remains female. Why would it mean anything else?

[(Anonymous)]

Because.... "DNW genderswap" is pretty much always meant to cover a) character magically changes their gender from male to female or the reverse and b) writing an AU version of a character who is a different gender from the original. Which is.... what these characters are. I could write Character A never swapping in the story but that would be OOC and I could write character B never thinking about her backstory at all but that would be boring.

"It would make no sense to DNW that in this context" doesn't actually mean you get to ignore what the DNW actually is. They didn't DNW noncanonical genderswaps. They DNWd all genderswaps. Somebody DNWing male characters doesn't actually mean canon male characters are OK either.

[(Anonymous)]

"No parents" level jackassery as expected

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but the different gender AU character sounds to be a canon character. So if you use that character, as their canon gender, that character has not been genderswapped in the fic, you have used a canon character canonically. Genderswapping is an action, not a trait. (lol though I feel the need here to say that if someone DNWs men and does not explicitly DNW genderswapping, so you genderswap canon men into women in order to write them in the fic, I also think you have violated their DNWs.)

[(Anonymous)]

You are stupid

[(Anonymous)]

No, people who DNW genderswap and then request a character whose whole thing is that they swap genders at will are stupid, keep up.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what it means to anyone who's not stupid to the level of "no unrequested relationships mean you can't mention anyone's parents exist"

[(Anonymous)]

1. It sounds like the main issue here is that you didn't properly read your recip's sign-up until a week before the deadline and now it's too late to ask the mods. (No judgment - most of us have been there ... but also not the recip's fault).

2. Since I always advocate for clarifying DNWs, I will also say that this is a case where I myself would probably add a note to specify what this means for this canon.

3. That being said, "genderswap" is a trope you as the fan creator apply to canon characters. If I "DNW: coffee shop AU", that doesn't mean you are not allowed to mention coffee shops in your fic, especially if they are canonical coffee shops. It means I don't want you to turn characters who are FBI agents in canon into coffee shop owners without any previous law enforcement background.

[(Anonymous)]

I do not dispute you on 1 (or 2. 2 is exactly my point.)

3. You'd be right if they'd DNW'd gender AUs but they didn't. If someone DNWs coffeshops for Friends and you set the whole fic in Central Perk it's still a DNW even if it's fully canon compliant.

[(Anonymous)]

da

But "coffeeshops" is not a fixed trope, it's just a setting. "Genderswap" is a trope, though, and writing the character's canon gender identity is just not included in the trope.

What you're doing is the equivalent of handwringing over "DNW: only one bed" and mentioning a character owning a house that has only a single bedrooms.

[(Anonymous)]

At first I thought OP was being overly conscientious here but really, none of us know what the recipient means by “DNW genderswap” and it could absolutely be the canon stuff we’re talking about here. I agree the biggest mistake was just not reading the signup until too close to gamble on getting timely clarification (also no judgment, would totally do that myself), and OP is right to just start writing a story that doesn’t touch on the DNW at all because better safe than sorry. Or maybe ask for clarification now and start writing if you don’t hear back in 24 hours.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent bait.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, let me give you an example.

Ranma Saotome gets hit in the face with hot/cold water a lot and there are lots of gender-related shenanigans in the fic as per canon = doesn't violate the no genderswap DNW.

Ranma Saotome is a cis girl who fell into the Spring of Drowned Boy = does violate the genderswap DNW.

Did that help?

[(Anonymous)]

Not to rip this thread open again, but I just read this and wanted to add:

I've been in a similar situation to OC. My recipient DNWed "girl penis" for a canon that has canonical characters that are women and have penises AND takes place in a world where gender and genitals are not connected for most people.

Did I assume my recipient meant "girl penis" as a kink trope? Yes. Was I 100% certain of that? No! The DNW confused the hell out of me and honestly made me a little uncomfortable. So I kind of get what OC is on about.

[(Anonymous)]

Just judging from your description vs. OP's description and without knowing the specific fandoms, I feel like this is a situation where the conflict between DNW and canon seems a lot obvious.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you ask the mods?

[(Anonymous)]

"Not to rip this thread open again, but"

No.