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Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

However, I do think it's incredibly stupid to say that exposing bad behavior is worse than bad behavior.

I don't think that's the argument.

Part of what you're defining as the original bad behavior involves sharing private details.

The "exposing" of the bad behavior in this case involves spreading private details further, as well as doing other things.

So the exposure in this case compounds the first harm.

Defining the entire situation as "exposing bad behavior" is cherrypicking. There were ways to call this out - including in the server where it happened - that did not compound harms.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't care about sharing quotes from an email in the server if it hadn't been done to invite people to bully the participant, which resulted in people doing just that, and I doubt anyone else would have either.

Letting people know who did the bullying is not the same thing. The context is entirely different.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

+2

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

"if it hadn't been done to invite people to bully the participant"

This is literally what you did here when you shared quotes from the mod discord with coaltide. People talking about someone who isn't in the room by specifically disagreeing the gift they received doesn't require an EPH replacement isn't bullying. Even what EO said wasn't bullying, it was just being a raging dick which is consistent with everything else EO does. OP bullied the recip by playing the "guess what everyone's saying about you behind your back" game but OP is anonymous and couldn't be bothered to speak up during the conversation.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I have no horse in this race but let's be honest, OP was just a coward who thought coming here was better. Made for great wank though.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Are you stupid?

Genuinely.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think they are but you on the other hand........

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Very convincing dc impression.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Oh man sure if it makes you feel better to believe I'm not a rando who just thinks you're an idiot :(

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody believes the lurkers support your "the whistleblower is the real villain" theory in email, Jan.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

DC

You only think that because they are an idiot.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I see once again we have people desperately trying to spin this whole thing as "it's not bullying to insult people behind their back from positions of mild hobby power, it's only bullying to let the victim know they're being insulted." It's not going to work, because that's transparently wrong to anyone and everyone.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny to see the scrambling now that there's actual consequences.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

It's also very strange how this keeps being repeated all of a sudden now when no one shared this sentiment before. Almost like someone was caught with their pants down and now wants to convince all of us that it's actually the latest fashion.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

As someone that hasn’t been posting to these threads. I’ve mostly been rolling my eyes at how deeply offend people have been about what feels like a minor ‘mods being mods’ situation in a locked community. It’s probably because I have a generally low opinion of the people and I’m always surprised by good mods that are well socialized and can handle things delicately.

There is one person for sure trying to play the ‘it’s all a misunderstanding’ card. But I think most of this backlash is because not everyone is invested the way you are at this level of intensity. Calls for naming everyone leaving an emote isn’t helping.

Also the wank is getting dry and crusty, so if I was an asshole who wanted to keep this wank gushing jizz all over flat view this is the perfect time to switch tactics or sides.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe we're different people then, because I do generally expect people to not be this nasty in not-really-private groups of over a hundred members. EO was by far the worst about it, but the mod making fun of their own participant's request is nasty too.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I’m glad that we think different on this topic to be honest. Someone should be expecting better of people.

However once you get past 50 comments on the same dry minor talking point my eyes just glaze over and I start wondering ‘wasn't coal made so people didn’t have to be the cult of nice all the time?’ and I check out of the wank.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed about the calls to name everyone who left a reaction. In a sense, I don't think the names matter - this situation has changed how I'll be approaching exchanges either way. Unlike you, my default assumption has always been that the average mod has manners and will behave politely if I'm being polite to them. This will no longer be the case.

Thankfully, I don't often have reasons to contact mods.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

DC

We have different levels of tolerance and expectations. I don't think I can necessarily judge you, but I believe it's necessary to extend generosity to people who have been blindsided, insulted, or lied to (not just the recip, think of the early posts in this thread that boil down to 'this totally didn't happen' 'it was only one asshole,' so on and so forth).

I don't want all 18/16/whatever initial +1s to be named. I want the mod who gave the ship & fandom (and effectively the recip's name,) and the mods who talked afterwards to be named. Considering the circumstances, I think that's pretty fair.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

NC

Not sure I would call it fair. What would it bring besides more wank? I do think the recip have a right to know, but I don't believe we all do... That's just calling for a witch hunt for something we're not involved in.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Even if OP posted the quotes out of a desire to wank and nothing else, I for one am glad they did. It's good to know how people talk where hundreds if not thousands of participants can't see them, and it's good to see how they go about making decisions. You don't get to whine about your bad behavior coming to light - that's just whining that there's consequences for your actions.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

I am also glad that we know that adastreia shared pinch hit email details to the whole mod server in the process of insulting a participant in their exchange who asked for an EPH, to which EdosianOrchids901 responded by calling the participant a greedy liar who just wanted more fics and then flounced from the mod server when someone pushed back on the 'liar' part. And also that we know that 18 mods supported adastreia's treatment of their participant.

Just want to sum this up so that the whistleblower troll doesn't smokescreen the facts off of recent view for the looky-loos from bfe.

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

18??? Wait how do we know that?

Re: Mod Cabal

[(Anonymous)]

Leaker coalie said how many people +1 reacted to adastreia's message.