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Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

[(Anonymous)]

"Do what you will" is the whole of the law but coaltide is a clear example of why "provided it harms nobody" had to be explicitly added for the people in the back.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

But _coal is not the place to be gathering data on blank signups.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

Thankfully before my time.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

No one is expecting it to yield good quantitative data, but it could yield some qualitative data.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Who still has a placeholder letter?

[(Anonymous)]

Locked or empty.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if you can find a better place to do it, feel free to gather some and bring it back here. We now have more than 0 data, which is what we were arguing on to start with.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

Another analysis technique: using the spreadsheet, it shouldn't be too difficult to make a list of all participants with completely blank details this year. There might be interesting trends in terms of what fandoms are requested, how many of them are completely new participants, or how many of them signed up in the last few hours.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

They commented on the treats they got that year. Among other details...

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

Antis *have* weird kinks of their own!

They just don't notice because it's not about dick in vagina, but the fucked up power play stories and religious slobbery I've received are as weird as any Omegaverse fic. Only without the basic self awareness to realise 'hum this is a Lil Fucked Up' actually.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

When I said they never commented, I didn't mean they're a noncommenter.

Yeah. :/

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

I realize antis have their own weird kinks but I'm still not seeing what the connection is between "people keep giving me weird kinks" and "antis exist".

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

Faulty categorisation of everyone who objects to violent kink as being religious and wanting the same hierarchical dynamics that they're objecting to. Misleading and disingenuous.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

I have received fic from antis for like a decade straight now. I don't know why I bother with Yuletide at all honestly.

I don't like reading what reads to *them* as sane, wholesome fic; because their sexual fantasies are extremely fucked up in ways they refuse to acknowledge.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, coalie, I'm kind of struggling here, because getting weird "fucked up power play stories and religious slobbery" stories, that you didn't ask for, for a decade straight sounds

a) unpleasant! I'm sorry that happened to you

b) weird as hell. Like, something is going on here, and that something COULD be the worst luck known to coal. I want to stress that even though my brain strays to "is there something about the fandoms?? Are you accidentally including a secret code in your prompts???" I don't think this has got to be your fault

It's just - antis? I'm not even sure we're using the same definition of antis, but this seems like a really broad generalization for a bizarre circumstance.

It's weird enough that you're getting any straight pattern of awful gifts for a decade straight. Most of us getting bad gifts are just getting A Story In Which Nothing Happens.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

If I have done this right, this should be every person who has signed up who has entered no prompt for any of their requested fandoms nor provided a link to a letter. It doesn't include a number of people who put a prompt in for some fandoms and not others, nor have I checked whether people who put no prompts but had a letter link actually had content in their letter, they just got left out. There are likely therefore to be people not in this list who are functionally blank signups will not being strictly blank signups. I don't know how to tell when they signed up.

amyezekiel: Only Murders in the Building (TV), The Simpsons, The Breakfast Club (1985), Enchanted Forest Chronicles - Patricia Wrede, Old Kingdom - Garth Nix; since 2020

Arcticmist: The Secret History - Donna Tartt, 2024 National League Baseball RPF, Jasper Dent Series - Barry Lyga; new?

argonautical (Argonaut1724): Yes Minister, Wallflower Series - Lisa Kleypas, Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day (2008); new?

audries: Cheers (TV), Edge of Tomorrow (2014), Holiday (1938); new?

ConfusedCyndaquil: 30歳まで童貞だと魔法使いになれるらしい | Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?! (TV), The Will Darling Adventures - K. J. Charles, 花开有时颓靡无声 | Meet You at the Blossom (TV), Band Sinister - K. J. Charles, 僕らの食卓 | Bokura no Shokutaku | Our Dining Table (TV); new?

CyrilOdahviing: Code:Realize ～創世の姫君～ | Code: Realize - Guardian of Rebirth (Visual Novel), Radiant Tale (Otomate Visual Novel), even if TEMPEST 宵闇にかく語りき魔女 (Visual Novel); new?

Fmnds: Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, Superstore (TV), Friends (TV), The Good Place (TV), New Girl (TV 2011), Wellington Paranormal (TV); since 2016

kkulecru: JxW (SEVENTEEN) 1ST SINGLE ALBUM ‘THIS MAN’ Audiobook - CHO YEEUN, DC vs. Vampires (Comic 2021), Matthew Swift Series - Kate Griffin, Batman: Wayne Family Adventures (Webcomic), Babel - R. F. Kuang; new?

lefemmerouge: Mayonaka Punch, Lupin (TV 2021), The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (TV), Star Wars: Doctor Aphra (Comics), Star Wars: The Acolyte (TV), Tomb Raider (Video Games); new?

Marien: Temeraire - Naomi Novik, Dragonriders of Pern - Anne McCaffrey, Patternist Series - Octavia E. Butler; since 2004

myimmortalpresident: Wars of the Roses RPF, The Lighthouse (2019), King Lear - Shakespeare; new?

NarielAlan: EastSiders, Given (Anime), Tokyo Babylon, Sense8 (TV); did 2015 but not since

Onomatopoetikon: In the Flesh (TV), Shetland (TV), 신입사관 구해령 | Rookie Historian Goo Hae-ryung (TV), Sense8 (TV), 千と千尋の神隠し | Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi | Spirited Away (2001), Breakfast with Scot (2007); new?

PlayerProphet: シルバー事件 | The Silver Case (Video Games), 機動戦士ガンダム | Mobile Suit Gundam (TV 1979), Final Fantasy VI; since 2020

sylviarachel: Chalion Saga - Lois McMaster Bujold, Sense and Sensibility - Jane Austen, Oxford Time Travel Universe - Connie Willis; did 2022

TrixySpirit: Homicide: Life on the Street, Kevin Can Fuck Himself (TV 2021), Mad Men; new?

ultraviolet_glow: Black Books (TV), Interview with the Vampire (TV 2022) RPF, The Borgias (Showtime TV), Breakfast on Pluto (2005); new?

water_bby: Casting the Runes - M. R. James, 合法ドラッグ | Gouhou Drug | Legal Drug, The Attic - A. M. Burrage; since 2007

[(Anonymous)]

the good thing about getting one short mediocre gift is that you don't have to leave a long, gushing comment on it, i guess.

Re: Who still has a placeholder letter?

[(Anonymous)]

my butt
your butt
everyone's butt

Re: I want a cute and funny fic for Yuletide

[(Anonymous)]

cute fluffy f/f, then? i'm into it.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

not completely blank, but pretty minimal one year as i was too fucking overwhelmed to write a long letter.

still got a really nice gift, though, and a cute madness treat.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

DC

I think what I recognize in that vent is that there are, in fact, a lot of people in fandom who have headcanons/kinks that are pretty dark, really (often things that, when you think about it, are clearly non-con/abusive/manipulation and so forth) but who see them as wholesome and romantic. These people are not necessarily all antis, but there's overlap because they are typically the ones who struggle the most with admitting that they, too, have fucked-up fantasies.

But there are "proshippers" who do this too - there's this one guy I used to share a fandom with who is definitely not an anti but who kept swearing up and down that the one thing he wouldn't ever write or read is intergenerational incest because it was his hard DNW ... which I took at face value until I went to his AO3 and realized he'd written more than half of the stories for an adoptive parent/child ship. Like, I mean, good for him, and the fic wasn't half-bad, but the mental disconnect was so puzzling to me.

hairy duck fart

[(Anonymous)]

is the most meaningful thing in the world and should be in every single fic ever.

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

"Non-biological incest isn't actually incest" is a reasonably common opinion, even though I can't really see the difference when it comes to one character having raised the other from childhood.

Re: hairy duck fart

[(Anonymous)]

ducks have hair?

Re: Have you ever signed up with a blank signup?

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. As someone in a similar boat as him, what squicks me about incest is the biological relation. If it's an adopted relationship, it just doesn't hit the squick.