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Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
CYRT
Unless you are a bad faith asshole, you're going to write something that includes the characters they asked for acting in character in a canon or at least canon-like setting;
So: I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just find it interesting that there's already an asterisk attached to the "whatever you feel like" thing - but you think it would be bad faith to write an IN SPACE! AU (for instance) for a blank sign-up, then?
Unless you are a bad faith asshole, you're going to write something that includes the characters they asked for acting in character in a canon or at least canon-like setting;
So: I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just find it interesting that there's already an asterisk attached to the "whatever you feel like" thing - but you think it would be bad faith to write an IN SPACE! AU (for instance) for a blank sign-up, then?
And if Morbane's always been doing it wrong, I guess that takes some pressure off the reest of us.
I support you, coalie, but I gotta say, all the treats would stress me out. How would I ever read them all?
... Nice problem to have, but
... Nice problem to have, but
I wonder how many treats there are on average in a year. I feel like this is only maybe two or three hundred fics.
It's called "reading the room" and if you can't do it, you shouldn't do Yuletide.
DC
I get that this is not a solution for you personally, but I think most people just accept the risk that their recipient will not adore their story.
A lot of people with minimal sign-ups aren't being, idk, deliberately withholding or even saying to themselves "I'm making it easier for my writer by not restricting them". Describing your own preferences is a skill, and hard work, and potentially embarrassing. Some people struggle to articulate what they want (and are glad not to have to). And you wouldn't actually have an easier time writing The Gift Of Their Heart if they'd been forced to write prompts than if they kept their blank sign-ups.
I get that this is not a solution for you personally, but I think most people just accept the risk that their recipient will not adore their story.
A lot of people with minimal sign-ups aren't being, idk, deliberately withholding or even saying to themselves "I'm making it easier for my writer by not restricting them". Describing your own preferences is a skill, and hard work, and potentially embarrassing. Some people struggle to articulate what they want (and are glad not to have to). And you wouldn't actually have an easier time writing The Gift Of Their Heart if they'd been forced to write prompts than if they kept their blank sign-ups.
SC
Sorry, replied to wrong thread. I meant to reply to "clear as mud" above my comment.
https://coaltide.dreamwidth.org/8335.html?thread=18152079#cmt18152079
Sorry, replied to wrong thread. I meant to reply to "clear as mud" above my comment.
https://coaltide.dreamwidth.org/8335.html?thread=18152079#cmt18152079
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If you are interested in writing a treat with a fandom with multiple requesters, and the fic could fulfill multiple people's requests, how do you decide who to gift the fic to?
CYRT
Blank signup people are certifying that getting a yt present they don't like won't ruin anything for them. You can't fuck it up.
I mean, I obviously can fuck it up. What you're actually trying to say is that it won't be my fault if I fuck it up.
And that's true, but that doesn't make it the kind of gift-giving experience I welcome.
Blank signup people are certifying that getting a yt present they don't like won't ruin anything for them. You can't fuck it up.
I mean, I obviously can fuck it up. What you're actually trying to say is that it won't be my fault if I fuck it up.
And that's true, but that doesn't make it the kind of gift-giving experience I welcome.
Would you write a setting change AU for a blank sign up?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-28 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)- Yes
- No
- Depends
- No
- Depends
CYRT
I did forget the rules explicitly make the details optional, thank you for the reminder.
If you adore scat and you know that scat is very unpopular, then no, don't write scat for a blank sign-up. If you're writing something mildly unusual, just try to write it well so that your work is a love letter the unusual thing you like.
You say that as if people don't argue to hell and back what is and isn't considered unusual, opt-out vs. opt-in, etc.
I did forget the rules explicitly make the details optional, thank you for the reminder.
If you adore scat and you know that scat is very unpopular, then no, don't write scat for a blank sign-up. If you're writing something mildly unusual, just try to write it well so that your work is a love letter the unusual thing you like.
You say that as if people don't argue to hell and back what is and isn't considered unusual, opt-out vs. opt-in, etc.
You are a little clown performing for more than just your recip
It's a gift fic for your recip first and foremost.
I've received exactly one ODAO fic in 20 years of Yuletide. I left a polite thank you and then rejected it.
It's a gift fic for your recip first and foremost.
I've received exactly one ODAO fic in 20 years of Yuletide. I left a polite thank you and then rejected it.
DC
I personally think an In SPACE! AU is okay.
As a non-hypothetical example, one year, Elf wrote an omegaverse AU for a blank sign-up for Disney's Beauty and the Beast (1991). I remember reactions were mixed and I've flip-flopped on it a bit myself.
Pro:
-blank sign-up
-was written because the author thought it would be fun and felt freed by a blank sign-up
-was something that was reeeelatively trendy and so perhaps could have been predicted
Con:
-was very cracky (though that's a matter of execution)
-was not canon-typical
-author's note "you had a blank sign-up, so..." was read by some as "you deserved it", that may be insane though
I guess I think it was a bad idea but not crossing a line, and the reason I think it's a bad idea is that a crack AU with gender essentialism parts changes so much about the canon that it exceeds a level of acceptable risk for me. You're really going beyond "what I know my recipient likes" here.
I thought it was a dick move at the time, and after some reflection I do not think it is a dick move. Just not one I would have made.
I personally think an In SPACE! AU is okay.
As a non-hypothetical example, one year, Elf wrote an omegaverse AU for a blank sign-up for Disney's Beauty and the Beast (1991). I remember reactions were mixed and I've flip-flopped on it a bit myself.
Pro:
-blank sign-up
-was written because the author thought it would be fun and felt freed by a blank sign-up
-was something that was reeeelatively trendy and so perhaps could have been predicted
Con:
-was very cracky (though that's a matter of execution)
-was not canon-typical
-author's note "you had a blank sign-up, so..." was read by some as "you deserved it", that may be insane though
I guess I think it was a bad idea but not crossing a line, and the reason I think it's a bad idea is that a crack AU with gender essentialism parts changes so much about the canon that it exceeds a level of acceptable risk for me. You're really going beyond "what I know my recipient likes" here.
I thought it was a dick move at the time, and after some reflection I do not think it is a dick move. Just not one I would have made.
CYRT
I really really doubt that "You shouldn't write setting change AUs for a blank sign up" is the common sense consensus you're implying it to be.
I really really doubt that "You shouldn't write setting change AUs for a blank sign up" is the common sense consensus you're implying it to be.
I think IN SPAAAACE is fine, but you signed up to write fanfic for a particular fandom using particular characters and I also think that, for a blank signup, you should at least end up with something that feels canon-like even if it's not the actual canon setting. Like absent a prompt, canon is the prompt, if that makes sense?
TBH, the coal scrutiny associated with writing anything but bland tame stuff for a blank sign-up alone seems like reason enough to play it safe rather than actually write what you want, as coalies keep saying you should.
-do they comment nicely?
-do they seem to have received a lot of other treats, OR, have they recently received any gifts from known wankers or terrible artists/authors?
-are they requesting a lot of popular canons and therefore more likely to get treats?
If I could choose early on to steer the fill more towards one person's prompt than another, I just pick a person who isn't a total noncommenter. If the eventual work could be a gift for multiple people, I give it to someone who doesn't have other treats.
-do they seem to have received a lot of other treats, OR, have they recently received any gifts from known wankers or terrible artists/authors?
-are they requesting a lot of popular canons and therefore more likely to get treats?
If I could choose early on to steer the fill more towards one person's prompt than another, I just pick a person who isn't a total noncommenter. If the eventual work could be a gift for multiple people, I give it to someone who doesn't have other treats.
CYRT
I agree that there is no real agreed-on list of what's opt in and opt out. And that's frustrating for people who work best with clear guidelines. And- relevant to the thread we're in- that can make Yuletide less attractive than some other exchanges.
I still think it's possible for most people to find a happy medium between "I will write corpsefucking, no one told me not to!!" and "I can only write shit so bland that Enid Blyton would have been proud."
I agree that there is no real agreed-on list of what's opt in and opt out. And that's frustrating for people who work best with clear guidelines. And- relevant to the thread we're in- that can make Yuletide less attractive than some other exchanges.
I still think it's possible for most people to find a happy medium between "I will write corpsefucking, no one told me not to!!" and "I can only write shit so bland that Enid Blyton would have been proud."
Nah, you can't pick what coal/the claw will scrutinize.
Absent specific prompt, your fic should match the fandom. If the fandom is bland Enid Blyton shit, you should write that. If the fandom is Enid Blyton fucking corpses, you should write that.
AYRT
I disagree, because I'm one of the coalies who thinks it's okay to write a setting change AU for a blank sign-up - if it otherwise explores the canon! characterization, etc!
But thank you, sincerely, for a delightfully new sentence.
I disagree, because I'm one of the coalies who thinks it's okay to write a setting change AU for a blank sign-up - if it otherwise explores the canon! characterization, etc!
But thank you, sincerely, for a delightfully new sentence.
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