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Demure

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CYRT

I guess, but the kind of minimal sign-ups I see so often in Yuletide are kind of neither here nor there, you know? They're the worst of both worlds. They're not prompts on prompt memes, where you can just do whatever to your heart's fancy, and they're not the highly-detailed requests from many non-Yuletide exchanges where you can lean into tailoring a gift to the recipient and feel good about that.

My last YT assignment had too few optional details to be useful, but just enough to tell me the idea I felt most inspired to write for that fandom and that set of characters ("Any") wasn't what my recipient wanted. I still could have gone ODAO, but I would have felt like an ass.

I go ODAO all the time and I've never had an issue. Seriously, this isn't something everyone agrees on. Yuletide is for small fandoms first and foremost, getting fic to exist for small fandoms is a big part of the history and ethos. You are a little clown performing for more than just your recip, it's not really about ultra-tailoring (nor would I participate if it was, because that is not fun to me).

CYRT

You are a little clown performing for more than just your recip, it's not really about ultra-tailoring (nor would I participate if it was, because that is not fun to me).

It is not uncommon for the recipient to be the only person who'll want to read the fic in the foreseeable future.

Sure, and you tailor it to your recip when you can for that reason. It's intended as a gift. But Yuletide also exists as an exchange where the broader context of the exchange is itself a community goal.

I have never once thought about the broader context of the exchange in twenty odd years of doing Yuletide, and I am pretty sure most people don't either.

+1 from the other Yuletide longtimer upthread

This is a baffling taking. The important thing is that the recip likes it. I'm writing for them.

DC

I think that makes sense as a first priority. But the event was explicitly founded and still has taglines about being a project to get more works in rare fandoms.

CYRT

Yes? That's what inevitably happens in an exchange where every request is for a rate fandom. You're still writing for a recip.

Are we disagreeing?

CYRT

Depends. Of course a small fandom exchange means "more fic for small fandoms". We agree on that. But you (or a coalie upthread? not sure if that's you) seem to think that the wider context and reception of the fic beyond what the recip wants should be something the author should take into account when writing the fic, and I strongly disagree with that idea.

CYRT

Oh, okay. See, I didn't read that as "you SHOULD take that into account" so much as, if you have no idea if you'll please your recipient and you want to improve your chances of getting a friendly comment, considering wider trends isn't a bad thing to do.

CYRT

Then we are indeed in agreement! Sorry for being a bit argumentative - I thought you and the coalie below were the same person.

All good! I might have misunderstood some of the way the thread drifted.

What I'm arguing is that ODAO still exists within the broader context of the event and that part of the appeal of Yuletide and the reason ODAO is a rule is because you're writing for your recip *and* the collection.

Ayrt

I understood your argument. I just don't agree with it.

I mean it is factually true lol it doesn't matter if you agree.

the reason ODAO is a rule is because you're writing for your recip *and* the collection

This part is not, in fact, factually true. That's not why ODAO exists.

It is factually true that you are writing for the recip and the collection by virtue of doing Yuletide and it is also factually true that in this context Yuletide has an ODAO rule. Thus, an empty signup is permissible.

You might not have thought about it but it's always explicitly been part of the point of the exchange.

You are a little clown performing for more than just your recip

It's a gift fic for your recip first and foremost.

I've received exactly one ODAO fic in 20 years of Yuletide. I left a polite thank you and then rejected it.

No, not really.

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