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Default deadline: December 11 (9am UTC)
Madness Opens: December 26 (9am UTC)
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Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Having received a fic where the most charitable way to look at it is "they think they are just skirting my DNWs and they think they are correctly interpreting that one thing I listed as being okay", all I can say is:
Bless you for checking with the recips before gifting them that.
Bless you for checking with the recips before gifting them that.
it's not really skirting a dnw if you ask though lol
So you’re completely right that saying to everybody that someone defaulted could be shaming, and maybe that’s a good reason to just say the PH was claimed. In this specific circumstance, I’m convinced.
On the other hand, I’m really confused as to how it could not be a lie to say the PH was claimed when it wasn’t. It’s a lie because it’s not true! It doesn’t matter if no one was harmed, it’s still a lie. That doesn’t mean it isn’t potentially justified, but saying something when you know it’s not true is just what a lie is.
I’m not saying that this would be a big deal at all, and maybe it would be justified to avoid calling attention to the person who defaulted, but as a general rule, I think mods should avoid lying when they can. In order for exchanges to work, people have to trust the mods to a certain extent. We all know there are things mods handle behind the scenes that we never hear about - and that’s a good thing! It’s important for mods to be discreet about a lot of stuff - and in order for that to work, we have to trust that when the mods don’t tell us things, they have a good reason to keep things private, and that when they do tell us things, the things they say are not misleading.
Obviously the Yuletide mods have a lot of built-up trust and goodwill in the community, and this is completely small potatoes (and, as you pointed out, a lie may be justified here). But in general, mods should avoid lying unless they have a specific reason to, because even if the individual lie doesn’t hurt anyone, in the aggregate, a lot of little harmless lies can still damage someone’s reputation for honesty, and that’s an important reputation for a mod to have.
On the other hand, I’m really confused as to how it could not be a lie to say the PH was claimed when it wasn’t. It’s a lie because it’s not true! It doesn’t matter if no one was harmed, it’s still a lie. That doesn’t mean it isn’t potentially justified, but saying something when you know it’s not true is just what a lie is.
I’m not saying that this would be a big deal at all, and maybe it would be justified to avoid calling attention to the person who defaulted, but as a general rule, I think mods should avoid lying when they can. In order for exchanges to work, people have to trust the mods to a certain extent. We all know there are things mods handle behind the scenes that we never hear about - and that’s a good thing! It’s important for mods to be discreet about a lot of stuff - and in order for that to work, we have to trust that when the mods don’t tell us things, they have a good reason to keep things private, and that when they do tell us things, the things they say are not misleading.
Obviously the Yuletide mods have a lot of built-up trust and goodwill in the community, and this is completely small potatoes (and, as you pointed out, a lie may be justified here). But in general, mods should avoid lying unless they have a specific reason to, because even if the individual lie doesn’t hurt anyone, in the aggregate, a lot of little harmless lies can still damage someone’s reputation for honesty, and that’s an important reputation for a mod to have.
Yeah, you can do meta-fiction depending on the canon and requests (my match the year is on an extremely metafictional canon, my story is definitely going to have meta elements in that sense) as long as you write it in a format that passes as a prose story, maybe that's what the person in chat thought was being asked?
You definitely can't do "this is why my pairing is canon, here's the evidence" or "thoughts on yaoi" type meta though.
You definitely can't do "this is why my pairing is canon, here's the evidence" or "thoughts on yaoi" type meta though.
I would say the idea skirted the DNW, whether writing it after asking counted or not.
Not just Nazis but dangerous bigots and creeps in our precious Yuletide?
I’m waiting with bated breath for more info on what’s worse then people with a Nazi fetish and bad taste, on this hill we’re about to roll down that is absolutely not a slope.
I’m waiting with bated breath for more info on what’s worse then people with a Nazi fetish and bad taste, on this hill we’re about to roll down that is absolutely not a slope.
Tvtropes has a bit more about these fandoms. At least two of them have pages (and subpages) there:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebAnimation/EtraChanSawIt
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebAnimation/AttackOnMika
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebAnimation/EtraChanSawIt
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebAnimation/AttackOnMika
I really hope you would not have left a prompt consisting only of a noncanon pairing and a noncon/dubcon like, DWN'd "toxic relationships unless its canon, more details in letter", not answered mod requests, and then left your letter a placeholder forever. I didn't feel guilty about skirting the DNW in that one, tbh.
As someone who loves writing in-universe meta (and loves worldbuilding exchange with a wild passion for exactly this reason), I would consider it opt-in.
Aw, does baby need a boobie.
Think of it this way, coalie: in the context of exchanges, "claimed" has a special jargon meaning of "no longer available for claiming". It's a shorthand.
When they got a “yes”, was that from a mod?
maybe so but that's a different scenario than the one described
looking at the requester’s AO3 they’ve written 20 fics for each of these fandoms - might be helpful for their author in writing for them.
you can justify answering rudeness with rudeness all you want, that doesn't make you not rude. also skill issue tbh
I’m waiting with bated breath for more info on what’s worse then people with a Nazi fetish and bad taste
Seriously? You're asking "What's worse than bad taste?"????? Thanks for showing your hand, I guess.
And even "What's worse than a Nazi fetish?" is just a blatant taunt in an exchange where there's been casual discussion of how this or that wanker was clearly a bigot but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what can you do?! for as long as I've been on coal. Just for one widely known example: Untherius used to talk about how m/m fic "makes his skin crawl", FFS. And it's not like he's the only one on record with homophobia, racism or transphobia.
But I guess run-of-the-mill bigotry can be excused, as long as the person is not also a Nazi fetishist.
Seriously? You're asking "What's worse than bad taste?"????? Thanks for showing your hand, I guess.
And even "What's worse than a Nazi fetish?" is just a blatant taunt in an exchange where there's been casual discussion of how this or that wanker was clearly a bigot but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what can you do?! for as long as I've been on coal. Just for one widely known example: Untherius used to talk about how m/m fic "makes his skin crawl", FFS. And it's not like he's the only one on record with homophobia, racism or transphobia.
But I guess run-of-the-mill bigotry can be excused, as long as the person is not also a Nazi fetishist.
? The start of this thread was someone saying their idea they haven't written yet might skirt a dnw. That is the scenario. I was giving examples of when an idea skirted a dnw and turned out fine.
Also, tbh, I would say if a story skirts a DNW it still skirts the DNW even if the recip ok's it. Saying you don't mind if something glances off a DNW a particular way doesn't change what the original dnw was (and in a yuletide context, doesn't change what anyone looking at the original request would think the DNW was.)
Also, tbh, I would say if a story skirts a DNW it still skirts the DNW even if the recip ok's it. Saying you don't mind if something glances off a DNW a particular way doesn't change what the original dnw was (and in a yuletide context, doesn't change what anyone looking at the original request would think the DNW was.)
you should not commit to writing five figures for an idea that skirts a dnw
You think homophobia is... not dangerous, bigoted and creepy?
Wow.
Wow.
Agreed. They should check through mods first.
LOL this is some fucking precious pearl clutching.
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