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Use this post for any exchanges running from January onwards into the first quarter of the year. Try to keep final Yuletide thoughts in the last coal post of 2019 for ease of conversation.

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Uh, no, that's just blatantly untrue. Did you even read the discussion in question? They weren't engaged in discussion (they even turned off anon comments and locked posts!), and they most certainly didn't try to change their behavior (in fact, they only made it even worse).

https://smallfandombang.dreamwidth.org/231521.html#comments

I would totally read all the platonic Marta & Blanc casefic!

Wow. Another good look for the gen-only ficcers, I see.

Clarifying what they wanted in response to the HP query.

Found the racist.

NA

+1

Coming into this late it just looks like ayrt was looking for something to go all appalled over and had to settle for "very common phrase can be twisted a bit to look off"

Found the idiot.

Horny isn't even an insult.

/DC who ships Marta/Blanc but would also love the gen casefic version

How are they racist?

/coalie who hasn't read any fics yet but enjoyed the film

Maybe they don't like the Ransom/Blanc fic and how it treats Marta? /unsure

I'm late to this discussion, but:

The context here is that someone responded to a coalie who had a different perspective/understanding of the situation with the words "what's wrong with you". (Not to mention that this was used within the context of a discussion about people with disabilities which may be either mental or physical).

That's actually the exact context in which many neurodivergent people find this offensive.

When you've watched people look at an autistic relative who is interpreting something differently to others, and ask you "what's wrong with him", then yes, this context is offensive.

People with (often mental) disabilities have been sectioned or ostracized throughout history because they've had a different perspective/way of reacting and people have thought something has been "wrong" with them. It's not the phrase to use in this sort of a discussion, even if the person thought they were using it "innocuously" and it's also not appropriate to tell people that they shouldn't find it problematic.

What is wanky about their comments? Sincere question, they seem to be having the same sort of discussion as other people in the thread.

Actually the context for this starts with someone saying that calling out discriminatory behaviour is bad for the disabled community. It's a very nice derail though, ignoring the actually offensive statement to focus on a statement that had a meaning that was very simple to understand in the context of this thread.

While I'm well aware of the history of discriminatory language directed towards people with many varied disabilities , I've never in all my years of activism seen a group,I've been involved with have someone take offence at the "what's wrong with you?" statement being used to question offensive behaviour, so I've got to admit I'm curious where you're from that activism groups focus on this?

NC

I can see where they're coming from though. It's one thing to request Hannibal and prompt mostly fluff, but another to DNW: cannibalism. Like, I can work with a recip who doesn't want anything gory or violent and doesn't want an emphasis on the eating people thing, but at some point, you're just removing anything resembling the original character and what people may possibly like the canon/character for.

You never really know with dememe.

AYRT

I disagree completely, and like the above coalie said I wish you wouldn't willfully ignore the actually offensive and problematic thing that was said in favor of something so completely non-issue as this. I'm disabled in more ways than one and spend a lot of time with such various circles, and I have never ever experienced anyone have an issue with this phrase. In fact, people use it all the time! But it's somehow "not appropriate" for me to say that? WTF.

NA

No, they absolutely did make a post saying they were going to stop and that they'd been wrong to do it. Of course, maybe it wasn't actually them, but it'd be an odd coincidence that those posts stopped directly after they said so.

And stuff like that is really hard to dememe. But I definitely remember it happening, and if you backtrack the posts instead you might be able to find it (pretty sure they set their apology to be the first post).

dc

I'm pretty sure I stumbled on at least one fic where Marta broke out into speaking Spanish mid-fucking, and it was terrible and cringeworthy.

op

I'm more annoyed about how everybody seems to want to fuck the racist xenophobic dude who [spoiler spoiler spoiler], and also wants Marta to fuck that dude too despite all of that.

NC

...That's what qualifies as "racist" to you? It's just a typical badfic cliché when it comes to ANY character -- white or not -- when speaking another language than their native one and having sex.

DC

It can be both racist and a cliché.

+100

Hockey fandom not being able to handle having a Mexican fave was the straw that broke the camels back for me.

DC

Fair enough. I get protagonist/bad boy ships, but fluffy Marta/Ransom is a bridge too far for me.

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