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Offseason #6
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personally i'd rather have funny shitposts than unfunny politics. keep the political stuff in the political communities.
what do youse guys think about the new rule in kink lucky dip and femslash kink where you have to add fandoms if you linger or you're not guaranteed a gift?
Did they make the rule change for kink lucky dip before or after sign ups closed? Because that influences my thoughts about it for that specific exchange. Femslash kink is still in sign ups, so it's more of a knowing that will be a problem going into it. Also, do they define lingering somewhere? I didn't see it on quick skim.
I kind of get the idea of the rule, because there isn't an unlimited number of pinch hitters and there's been such an expansion in exchanges it that can be quite difficult to get enough pinch hitters for everybody, but I'm not sure this is the right way to approach this problem. I'm not a mod so I don't really have a good idea to deal with this problem.
Speaking as a pinch hitter, I have pinch hit for one of the people who is currently lingering on a lot of different pinch hit lists, and I don't really want to write anything more for that person, even though I could, because it was pretty obvious from their comment that they didn't like what I wrote. So that might be influencing my feelings more negatively than I think is probably warranted right now, so maybe take my comment with a grain of salt.
I kind of get the idea of the rule, because there isn't an unlimited number of pinch hitters and there's been such an expansion in exchanges it that can be quite difficult to get enough pinch hitters for everybody, but I'm not sure this is the right way to approach this problem. I'm not a mod so I don't really have a good idea to deal with this problem.
Speaking as a pinch hitter, I have pinch hit for one of the people who is currently lingering on a lot of different pinch hit lists, and I don't really want to write anything more for that person, even though I could, because it was pretty obvious from their comment that they didn't like what I wrote. So that might be influencing my feelings more negatively than I think is probably warranted right now, so maybe take my comment with a grain of salt.
DA
Also, do they define lingering somewhere? I didn't see it on quick skim.
The wording on Kink Lucky Dip is "if your pinch hit lingers to the deadline".
Personally, I feel like it might be better to just raise the floor for how many fandoms you've got to request to be guaranteed a gift. If you make everybody request a minimum of four instead of three or whatever then that should increase ease of matching without directly singling out people with smaller fandoms and asking them to add stuff they don't want. Or alternatively, I guess, some sort of safety fandom rule where one of your fandoms must be short to consume.
But fundamentally it's just hard to know how you square the circle: there are a finite number of pinch hitters and a lot of exchanges, it kind of sucks for people who want their small fandoms to be pressured into accepting more popular ones they don't want, and some people don't necessarily linger because of inaccessible fandoms but because of personality clash or batshit requests or whatever other reason. Dunno how you fix that.
Also, do they define lingering somewhere? I didn't see it on quick skim.
The wording on Kink Lucky Dip is "if your pinch hit lingers to the deadline".
Personally, I feel like it might be better to just raise the floor for how many fandoms you've got to request to be guaranteed a gift. If you make everybody request a minimum of four instead of three or whatever then that should increase ease of matching without directly singling out people with smaller fandoms and asking them to add stuff they don't want. Or alternatively, I guess, some sort of safety fandom rule where one of your fandoms must be short to consume.
But fundamentally it's just hard to know how you square the circle: there are a finite number of pinch hitters and a lot of exchanges, it kind of sucks for people who want their small fandoms to be pressured into accepting more popular ones they don't want, and some people don't necessarily linger because of inaccessible fandoms but because of personality clash or batshit requests or whatever other reason. Dunno how you fix that.
yeah the problem isn't often fandom size or pairing rarity, it's that we end up with a ton of wankers signing up for exchanges. a lot of the small fandom requesters are good eggs and write lovely comments.
maybe tighten the behavior rules and make commenting mandatory instead of penalizing those with niche tastes?
maybe tighten the behavior rules and make commenting mandatory instead of penalizing those with niche tastes?
Yeah, but in some cases it is very obvious that the problem is having extremely niche taste. Though in most of those cases, forcing them to add more fandoms isn't going to solve the fundamental problem that the people in multi-fandom exchange fandoms are just really not into their canons, because they have more than 3 obscure fandoms.
so... everybody should be forced to like popular things, then? not gonna work. should mods specify "conventional tastes only, ships must consist of two hollywood-style attractive humans"?
besides, some fandoms may be mainstream popular but aren't popular on the exchange scene.
besides, some fandoms may be mainstream popular but aren't popular on the exchange scene.
nah, if they make you add fandoms ask for original works with the wackiest pairings of monsters and aliens and sentient animals and ask only for smut prompts, that'll show 'em.
Adding OW is not the way to obstruct this.
Winterblumensaat that shit.
Winterblumensaat that shit.
ha ha yeah, make them write the nonexistent fandom of your dreams! i'd be into that.
I'm not saying that only people with popular taste get to do exchanges. I don't like the duke. I just object to the idea that obscure taste in fandoms doesn't lead to lingering on the pinch hit list because it absolutely can.
yes absolutely it can. the answer, though, is not to penalize someone for being a pinch hit. this is gonna cut down on ppl willing to sign up. unless that's what the mod wants in the first place.
glassesofjustice is a wanky mod anyhow.
glassesofjustice is a wanky mod anyhow.
Dunno if they're wanky but they're shit at communicating. The April 11 work reveals date passed and they didn't even update the community until later on the 12th.
Sounds like bad modding to me. I was in an exchange that had the same thing happen last year and I will never go near it again.
if they force you to add fandoms, they better not expect a nice comment for something you didn't want in the first place. "thanks for writing" and a swift rejection will need to be seen as more acceptable.
The funniest part about all of it is that the longest lingering person in KLD did add something when told to, so this rule caused a lot of wank for no benefit to the mod.
it's a shitty idea. why don't they just fucking ban wankers like kb.
KB hasn't been an issue in ages, release your hateboner.
kb also doesn’t ask for obscure fandoms. they linger because no one wants to write for them.
their fandoms are often long to consume, though.
ayrt
no point consuming their long fandoms if they’re just gonna ignore their gifts anyway
no point consuming their long fandoms if they’re just gonna ignore their gifts anyway
I just don't see the issue with exchange delays. I don't care if it takes the exchange an extra month to open because that's when they found a PHer who knew the fandom. There's nothing really time-sensitive about exchanges, except the assignment deadline.
i 100% agree and don’t this is common, but i do wonder if some of the hardcore wank around delays are due to active/popular fandoms where someone’s fic may have been timely/unique when it was originally promoted or written, but now the author is antsy to not be jossed or being made to look like they’re following a trend if a bunch if nonexchange fics have gone up with similar plots.
rolls eyes at megafandom and people chasing popularity. they should just write outside of exchanges then.
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that shouldnabee person has got to top the list
yup. and whoever that was who held a collection hostage for 4 years.
is this the funfun fandom person? are they still trying to mod stuff???
IDK but they're still posting about how they were done wrong.
that mod who insists you add fandoms if your pinch hit lingers even if you've asked for more than the minimum number of fandoms to receive a gift.
A much better way to deal with lingering pinch hits that are happening specifically because of niche taste would just be to require safety fandoms from the jump in more exchanges. If I don't know any of the fandoms of a pinch hit, and they're all obscure enough that I can't easily figure out the vibe of the canon enough to know if it'll work for me from checking a wiki page or something, I'm so much more likely to try a new canon that I know will be short to see if I can pinch hit. I'm not always able to figure out if I'll like the canon enough to write something for it from a request alone.
I'm still not satisfied with that solution, since it punishes people who have niche taste and only like expansive canons, but it would be more likely to help the problem than the current thing of just making people add more canons of any type.
I'm still not satisfied with that solution, since it punishes people who have niche taste and only like expansive canons, but it would be more likely to help the problem than the current thing of just making people add more canons of any type.
+0.5
it's not the ideal solution, but it works better than whatever they're doing over at femslash_kink. i'm someone with rather niche tastes and i could easily toss in a song or poem as a safety fandom or even ask for original works with the kind of weird things i like if i absolutely had to. though i am a bit sick of getting ow all the time, tbh.
if what these mods really want is for us weirdos not to sign up, they need to say with their whole chest that they don't want us, that only certain types of ships and fandoms are wanted, that they don't want old people or non-humans or problematic characters or whatever. at least i'd know whose exchanges to avoid.
but the thing is, even if they made their exchanges juggernauts-only, they'd still get lingering pinch hits. there's more than one wanker who signs up with popular fandoms and they end up lingering because nobody wants to write for that asshole.
it's not the ideal solution, but it works better than whatever they're doing over at femslash_kink. i'm someone with rather niche tastes and i could easily toss in a song or poem as a safety fandom or even ask for original works with the kind of weird things i like if i absolutely had to. though i am a bit sick of getting ow all the time, tbh.
if what these mods really want is for us weirdos not to sign up, they need to say with their whole chest that they don't want us, that only certain types of ships and fandoms are wanted, that they don't want old people or non-humans or problematic characters or whatever. at least i'd know whose exchanges to avoid.
but the thing is, even if they made their exchanges juggernauts-only, they'd still get lingering pinch hits. there's more than one wanker who signs up with popular fandoms and they end up lingering because nobody wants to write for that asshole.
I actually suggested this in a lengthy FFA thread a long while back but many people pointed out this would prevent them from signing up, which would ultimately be antithetical to having as many requests as possible filled, niche or not.
SC
Though one thing I would like to see more of is people with requests for niche AND short canons to mention that in the sign-up and/or link to a fandom promo in their sign-up or letter.
Though one thing I would like to see more of is people with requests for niche AND short canons to mention that in the sign-up and/or link to a fandom promo in their sign-up or letter.
DA
It kind of baffles me too when I see very sparse Fandom Promos. It’s the same people excited and wanting to request/offer their small or niche fandoms. Why don’t you guys want to promo it too?
It kind of baffles me too when I see very sparse Fandom Promos. It’s the same people excited and wanting to request/offer their small or niche fandoms. Why don’t you guys want to promo it too?
+1
And I'm not sure if many people read fandom promos.
And I'm not sure if many people read fandom promos.
I absolutely read them, especially when someone has been lingering on a pinch hits list for a month+ and I'm trying to figure out if I have time to try to consume a canon and write a fic for them in time.
It hasn't even delayed once. Chug a whole bag of chill pills.
*pushes up glasses* well actually a delay was announced on ead, just not posted on the comm yet.
An extension for PHs have been posted, but the mod hasn't officially said There Is A Delay yet.
looks like 1 week's delay has officially been announced on the comm now.
Not the OP, but probably the lingering pinch hits. Which are, in fact, being picked up.
Which is why I’m asking. “Never” is a lot of worry.
there are in fact quite a few, and you're trolling.
https://tenor.com/view/tigger-tigger-winnie-the-pooh-tigger-sad-disappear-gif-25009198
fandom should put its money where its mouth is and stop giving fannish adulation to the likes of rowling and mcu and other mainstream problematic assholes. there are plenty of independent queer creatives who put out real queer content we should be fanning and ficcing for instead of stanning right-wing fuckheads.
thanks but I'll eat my vegetables where I want to and not where you want me to
+0.5
for me it's not about vegetables but the fun part of fanfic is making things up and "what if these hot ppl were gay or something else was different to canon. gay lit already provides queer characters and the canon alone is satisfying. there's no need to make fanworks because there's nothing to invent.
for me it's not about vegetables but the fun part of fanfic is making things up and "what if these hot ppl were gay or something else was different to canon. gay lit already provides queer characters and the canon alone is satisfying. there's no need to make fanworks because there's nothing to invent.
I don't even do HP, MCU, Gaiman, or other Known Problematic Megafandom, but I just can't fuck with people saying "you must select only media from our carefully curated selection of Unproblematics or else you're fash" because two months later half their independent queer creatives will have milkshake ducked themselves too.
because two months later half their independent queer creatives will have milkshake ducked themselves too.
there will be some genuine creeps showing their asses, sure, but a lot of that will be complete nothingburgers blown out of proportion by the terminally online.
there will be some genuine creeps showing their asses, sure, but a lot of that will be complete nothingburgers blown out of proportion by the terminally online.
i agree rowlings a cunt but don't think there's any fash running mcu afaik
coalie, come on. the mcu is way worse than a single woman, even a single rich woman with really bad politics, could ever be. you can't possibly really think that there's no fash running the mcu
what's bad about the mcu? I don't like capeshit so I don't know anything about it
the entirety of it is basically usamerican dept of defense/imperialism propaganda
captain america especially but iron man is right up there too
indie queer stuff is like a nice kind guy who'd have a good healthy relationship with you, but he's kinda safe and boring. megafandoms are like the handsome bad boy who's gonna be trouble, but boy is he super duper hot!
Coalie, you're not wrong, but what a cursed way to put it.
NC
I'm not even in megafandoms, but "cursed" is a good way to put it.
I'm not even in megafandoms, but "cursed" is a good way to put it.
ouch. i see myself in this comment and it hurts.
I don't even care about any of those canons, but nothing is more of a buzzkill for me when it comes to fannish activity than the word "should".
There are fandoms I've dropped because their creator tainted them for me. That can happen, sure, and it's a good thing broadly speaking. But "you should care about this fandom instead" is never going to work.
There are fandoms I've dropped because their creator tainted them for me. That can happen, sure, and it's a good thing broadly speaking. But "you should care about this fandom instead" is never going to work.
dc - i see what you mean. there was someone who wrote a thinkpiece who was suggesting other wizard canons as a substitute for hp, with that "you should care about these instead" attitude - and they basically had nothing in common with hp except for the magic thing. so i personally don't see the appeal and even if i did i wouldn't be interested in checking them out.
/is not in hp fandom fwiw
/is not in hp fandom fwiw
CYRT
That's a big part of it - you can't always tell why something is popular and resonates with people, and you're rarely going to guess at a good replacement. Insofar as I ever cared about HP (which was not much), it was the 'Special Sad Bullied Orphan with a Special Destiny' wish-fulfillment that hooked me as a sad bullied kid. I'm still not aware of media that really hits all the same spots without being politically unpalatable to me for different reasons.
But honestly, what I was talking about isn't even that deep. Even when it comes to things as low-stakes "I've been hyperfixating on Blorbo too much, I should draw/write about some other characters for a change", imposing some kind of obligation on myself or giving myself internal quotas just made me less passionate and creative.
That's a big part of it - you can't always tell why something is popular and resonates with people, and you're rarely going to guess at a good replacement. Insofar as I ever cared about HP (which was not much), it was the 'Special Sad Bullied Orphan with a Special Destiny' wish-fulfillment that hooked me as a sad bullied kid. I'm still not aware of media that really hits all the same spots without being politically unpalatable to me for different reasons.
But honestly, what I was talking about isn't even that deep. Even when it comes to things as low-stakes "I've been hyperfixating on Blorbo too much, I should draw/write about some other characters for a change", imposing some kind of obligation on myself or giving myself internal quotas just made me less passionate and creative.
independent queer creatives are where my money goes, but i don't feel the need to write fic for canons i find already satisfying
/not into hp or mcu
/not into hp or mcu
Sorry, I'm not reading your poorly-edited indie dreck because you're queer. Get good enough to get published for real or leave me alone.
Eh, solid +0.0001.
I don't put any particular stock in the quality standards of professional publishing, but indie work needs to advertise itself with something more specific than being queer, and it's a red flag when it doesn't.
I don't put any particular stock in the quality standards of professional publishing, but indie work needs to advertise itself with something more specific than being queer, and it's a red flag when it doesn't.
I wish failmeme would ban VPNs like the other meme. It would make the meme a much better place.
whats wrong with vpns? stops the fash tracking ppl.
is that last ph on s4s wanky or something? their fandoms don't seem all that niche.
I've never heard any wank about them. Their Pokemon requests are for small/obscure parts of a large sprawling franchise, and I don't know how popular their other requests (Metal Fight Beyblade | Beyblade Metal Saga, Teen Titans (Animated Series), Power Rangers Time Force) are.
^this does not mean their requests are in any way bad, it's meant to be a neutral analysis of the fact that, yeah, Pokemon is huge, but not all parts of it are equally brimming with creators
I would guess Teen Titans will be their eventual fill.
^this does not mean their requests are in any way bad, it's meant to be a neutral analysis of the fact that, yeah, Pokemon is huge, but not all parts of it are equally brimming with creators
I would guess Teen Titans will be their eventual fill.
it's probably because they don't want live action canons. for some reason live action fandoms are easier to get fills for, or ow because then ppl can imagine their fave actor as the oc.
i've never heard any wank about this person either, they seem a decent participant afaik.
i've never heard any wank about this person either, they seem a decent participant afaik.
Toku coalie thoughts nobody asked for: Time Force is very popular/liked in the Power Rangers fandom, but Power Rangers is generally not popular in the exchange fandom. Plus their main TF ship (Lucas/Nadira) is a ship for one episode and never acknowledged again (episode 35. It’s a very fun episode but they canonically break up) so at least for me it’s hard to come up with ideas for the ship. (They’ve also requested Jen/Wes a few times, which has a lot more to work with, but haven’t requested it in current exchanges)
What is wrong with the mod glassesofjustice? I keep asking but nobody answers yet they all keep saying they're a terrible mod. So what are the deets?
Isn’t it to do with the new rule they added for lingering PHs? Which was pretty wanky?
They have a tendency to make very narrow or specific rule sets for their exchanges which people have speculated in the past is to try to make a collection full of things they specifically want. Which is fair enough, they're doing the mod work, but it means that a bunch of people are shut out because they like a slightly different flavour of whatever it is, which in turn means those people have been mildly annoyed for a long time before the KLD/FK rule wank.
I haven't been talking about them or keeping up with them lately, so there might be something else, I don't know.
I haven't been talking about them or keeping up with them lately, so there might be something else, I don't know.
other than the forced to add fandoms rule, their main problem seems to be that they're a bad or frustrating communicator and not pleasant to deal with.
They were kind of a dick to me a long time ago and I've avoided them ever since.
+1
They were slow to reply to a query I sent them and came across kind of rude when they finally did get around to replying.
They were slow to reply to a query I sent them and came across kind of rude when they finally did get around to replying.
Yeah when one of the multiple times they'd said the KLD archive would open came and passed they didn't even update the community until the next day while they were posting on EAD about other things.
seriously, fuck them, i am never doing any of their exchanges.
ffs why wank about treats. either write them or don't. or just focus on your assignment, whatever.
how many other coalies have received kittyfic? from the OG or not
I've gotten plenty who outright admitted that they hadn't consumed canon, in discords, identifiably on meme, or just straight in the author's notes.
not so much kitty fic, but plenty of kitty art. artists seem totally open about admitting they haven't consumed canons for some reason.
But that’s the thing about art, isn’t it. You don’t actually need to consume the canon, you just need to know what the character looks like and maybe study a few different expressions.
It’s also why I constantly feel bratty about how popular artists get - you don’t need to innately understand a character or canon to draw something. You definitely do to write a good fic.
It’s also why I constantly feel bratty about how popular artists get - you don’t need to innately understand a character or canon to draw something. You definitely do to write a good fic.
nc
yeah, the not consuming the canon thing works if you're using visual media - live action or animated, etc. not so great if it's a book canon and yes i have seen that done.
i get the brattiness about fanart vs. fanfic, too. artists can get away with charging for fic under the pretext of "labor and materials" whereas writers can be hit with copyright strikes more frequently if they take fic commissions.
yeah, the not consuming the canon thing works if you're using visual media - live action or animated, etc. not so great if it's a book canon and yes i have seen that done.
i get the brattiness about fanart vs. fanfic, too. artists can get away with charging for fic under the pretext of "labor and materials" whereas writers can be hit with copyright strikes more frequently if they take fic commissions.
I don't entirely agree with this. It's less of a faux pas, but openly admitting you don't know the characters is still really tacky and a buzzkill.
The equivalent for fic isn't full kittyfic, it's a fic with "Last time I watched this show was 20 years ago so I barely remember who any of these people are, sorry haha" in the author notes. Maybe it's okay or maybe it's weird or OOC in some way (which can happen with art too), but it's probably best not to highlight how little knowledge you have of the thing you got assigned to create.
The equivalent for fic isn't full kittyfic, it's a fic with "Last time I watched this show was 20 years ago so I barely remember who any of these people are, sorry haha" in the author notes. Maybe it's okay or maybe it's weird or OOC in some way (which can happen with art too), but it's probably best not to highlight how little knowledge you have of the thing you got assigned to create.
To be fair, a lot of the most popular fics are OOC wish-fulfillment sludge, so you can't really say that you need to innately understand a character or canon to get popular as a fic writer.
AYRT
Agreed. And sludge is an excellent descriptor. This is why I said good fic and not popular fic.
Agreed. And sludge is an excellent descriptor. This is why I said good fic and not popular fic.
Most fic I get recently seems to be by someone who hasn't even read a fandom wiki about the canon within the last ten years or so. I'm not picky about tiny details, but stuff like mixing up the names of the main character's brother and their husband... please just canon review next time.
Current drama
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/683303.html?thread=4232758311#cmt4232758311
Past dramas
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/579014.html?thread=3535062982#cmt3535062982
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/566396.html?thread=3452266364#cmt345
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/683303.html?thread=4232758311#cmt4232758311
Past dramas
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/579014.html?thread=3535062982#cmt3535062982
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/566396.html?thread=3452266364#cmt345
jeez, what a clown.
this rejection is edging me and it is not consensual
The setting, the plot, and the characterization don't make any sense if you've consumed any of the canon.
got plenty fics like that. doesn't mean they're kittyfic, the author just can't write for shit.
The quality of the writing in this is fine, it's just kitty.
1 How would I know, it's anon period
2 Probably not
2 Probably not
kitty de sade hasn't been in exchanges for fucking years. unless she's changed her username.
DC
Bad writing exists in a variety of flavors. If it's bad writing indistinguishable from kittyfic, it deserves to be called kittyfic.
Bad writing exists in a variety of flavors. If it's bad writing indistinguishable from kittyfic, it deserves to be called kittyfic.
That sucks. Though I guess at least it isn't AI.
I would rather have AI that got the characterization right than human fic that did not.
I don't think that's an option open to you right now.
i wish there was a smut 5k exchange. i prefer longfic.
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fandom5k doesn't guarantee it, but you can request ships, include Smut and Romance in your tags, and talk about your smut likes. The odds are better for getting a properly smutty 5k fic using that method than for smut 4 smut, if size really matters to you (har har).Not OP, but I've done that with Fandom5k and a few times I've got lucky. Most exchange fandom authors, I find, though, are likely to play it safe and while writing some lovely shippy stuff, they tend to stick to G or T-ratings.
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authors or artists?
in bfe, seems to be authors. perhaps artists are more wanky in namespace.
in bfe, seems to be authors. perhaps artists are more wanky in namespace.
There are more authors so the author wank is so much louder it makes it hard to guess who's wankier per capita
but are podficcers wanky tho
no idea, it's cringe as hell so i don't pay attention to them
Most of them aren't, but the sort who show up to exchanges all "can you include podfic too" and then never sign up are infuriatingly wanky.
just like that person who nominates my ships and then never signs up or if they do they don't even request them
I am begging people who "game away" from people who "DNW tropes and ships I like" to explain what they mean because taken at face value it seems so bizarre to me.
Like, someone on ffa claiming they game away from anyone who DNWs omegaverse because they just couldn't be compatible with that recipient.
Help me understand how that makes sense.
Or gaming away from people who DNW their OTPs. Like IDK you match on Frodo/Sam and someone DNWs Legolas/Gimli. Who cares?? Why does that make a mismatch?
The only way it would make sense to me is if you're really focused on making friends in exchanges and you want to talk to people who share all your OTPs and you're looking ahead to all the conversations you won't be able to have about Legolas/Gimli but let's be real this is a long shot in exchanges anyway.
Like, someone on ffa claiming they game away from anyone who DNWs omegaverse because they just couldn't be compatible with that recipient.
Help me understand how that makes sense.
Or gaming away from people who DNW their OTPs. Like IDK you match on Frodo/Sam and someone DNWs Legolas/Gimli. Who cares?? Why does that make a mismatch?
The only way it would make sense to me is if you're really focused on making friends in exchanges and you want to talk to people who share all your OTPs and you're looking ahead to all the conversations you won't be able to have about Legolas/Gimli but let's be real this is a long shot in exchanges anyway.
think about the most annoyingly fixated otper you know who gets overinvested in characters. the kinniest kinnie. the alter-collecter who gets upset if you say something about a character that their alter wouldn't do.
now imagine them in exchanges, offended that you don't like this thing that is so central to their existence. They won't write for someone who rejects the core of their being, and by jove they'll make sure everyone knows about it
now imagine them in exchanges, offended that you don't like this thing that is so central to their existence. They won't write for someone who rejects the core of their being, and by jove they'll make sure everyone knows about it
DC
This is the kind of person I would expect to game away from someone DNWing their OTPs, but not actually admit it.
This is the kind of person I would expect to game away from someone DNWing their OTPs, but not actually admit it.
don't worry about that wank, coalie. it's aurae stirring shit again.
I don't game in exchanges because I like to think I'm flexible enough, but I can see how some DNWs can mean you're not the best match.
Say we match on a friends-to-lovers ship that has canonically had their ups and downs and I like those ups and downs. It's easy enough to write fluffy or smutty get-together if I see DNW: established relationship, breakups, angst, but we will still be fundamentally incompatible and it's possible the resulting fic will suffer for it despite my best intentions. Some people just don't like leaving the possibility of the work being worse open at all.
I don't get the ships thing either though.
Say we match on a friends-to-lovers ship that has canonically had their ups and downs and I like those ups and downs. It's easy enough to write fluffy or smutty get-together if I see DNW: established relationship, breakups, angst, but we will still be fundamentally incompatible and it's possible the resulting fic will suffer for it despite my best intentions. Some people just don't like leaving the possibility of the work being worse open at all.
I don't get the ships thing either though.
It's a thousand words. I might love angst and breakups in canon but just want 1000 words of porno fic to jack it to. That doesn't mean how we see the ship is any different.
All exchanges should work like Yuletide and should not allow you to see requests, and on top of that they should forbid public letters because you should just write for anyone who requests the things you're willing to offer. You should not be allowed to browse requests and decide which recipients you'd be happy to match with and which you'd rather pass on. There is no good reason to not want to match with someone, and if you propose a reason, we'll explain why none of your reasons matter and besides you're being mean like those jerk girls back in high school for not wanting to write porn specifically for me. My DNWs are sparkly and pure and your preference to write for someone who's requesting the het ships you ship while mysteriously DNWing all the slash ships you ship doesn't matter. Only I matter. So you can't ever game away from me or you are a Bad Egg.
Get off the cross, Paul.
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No, game however you like. It's fine to have preferences and niches.
And I'm going to continue to be baffled every time I read a statement that sounds to me like "My recipient and I must align perfectly or I can't write for them."
Happy medium, you know?
No, game however you like. It's fine to have preferences and niches.
And I'm going to continue to be baffled every time I read a statement that sounds to me like "My recipient and I must align perfectly or I can't write for them."
Happy medium, you know?
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If there were more people in fandom (and possibly the world) who understood “happy medium” things would be so much easier.
If there were more people in fandom (and possibly the world) who understood “happy medium” things would be so much easier.
shut the fuck up, aurae.
DC
Sarcasm radar, coalie...
Sarcasm radar, coalie...
Obviously it’s sarcasm. They’re still flying off the handle.
aurae is on coal even if it's not them in this thread.
In your example I have notice the fans who go out of their way to DNW Legolas/Gimli tend to cluster around tropes I don't like, dislike tropes and ships I do like, and don't view canon or fanon the way I do. That is their right and prerogative and I will not say they cannot or should not curate their exchange experiences. It is my job to curate mine and I would rather spend my time writing for someone who didn't go out of their way to say they don't want that ship because that is how I curate my time. You can spend the next month wanking on multiple communities that you just don't understand but multiple people have explained multiple times and it seems as though you do understand and hope that wanking more will change their minds. It won't. It will reinforce their opinion that avoiding recipients who do this is the correct decision because you won't take "I don't want to write for you when I have someone else to write for instead" as an answer. Exchanges are meant to be fun. I would not have fun writing for you. I will game away and write for someone else who is more likely to share my takes which will be more fun for me and for my recipient, and you don't have to worry about someone sneaking in some food ingredient on your imaginary pizza. No one will, because we're over here having our fun together. You win, I win, my recipient wins, so stop whining about your own DNWs.
No one on earth is saying you can't do shit, only that you're off your rocker with this conspiracy level imagining that everyone who doesn't want dwarf fucking in one particular gift is part of some shadowy cabal who does fandom differently than you.
Feel absolutely free to be like this at someone else. I would not have fun if you wrote for me either.
Feel absolutely free to be like this at someone else. I would not have fun if you wrote for me either.
so basically the first reply in this thread is absolutely right
This honestly just sounds like pop psych to me.
I fully believe that you believe there is this strong predictive association, but there are people out there who fully believe in the magical healing power of crystals, too. The human brain is kind of shit at identifying causal or correlative patterns with any degree of accuracy, so of course you'll get pushback when you insist this seriously that a ship DNW is a more useful shorthand for a whole 'cluster' of id mismatches than, say, looking at their actual listed likes and the way they write the ship you matched on (which is a ship you have in common regardless of what else they happen to DNW).
Also, get off the cross a bit, yeah? People are always going to argue if they think they see someone being Wrong On The Internet. It doesn't mean they're refusing to accept the idea of you, personally, not writing for them.
I fully believe that you believe there is this strong predictive association, but there are people out there who fully believe in the magical healing power of crystals, too. The human brain is kind of shit at identifying causal or correlative patterns with any degree of accuracy, so of course you'll get pushback when you insist this seriously that a ship DNW is a more useful shorthand for a whole 'cluster' of id mismatches than, say, looking at their actual listed likes and the way they write the ship you matched on (which is a ship you have in common regardless of what else they happen to DNW).
Also, get off the cross a bit, yeah? People are always going to argue if they think they see someone being Wrong On The Internet. It doesn't mean they're refusing to accept the idea of you, personally, not writing for them.
Is it like this for all your fandoms??
I'll be honest, the reason I can't relate is all my exchange fandoms are Yuletide sized. The level of fannish activity simply does not exist to show patterns like this.
I'll be honest, the reason I can't relate is all my exchange fandoms are Yuletide sized. The level of fannish activity simply does not exist to show patterns like this.
bfe can go eat a bag of dicks. it's not a recip's job to reassure, coddle and egoboo an author.
the author owes recip a fic. the recip owes author a polite and timely comment. end of.
the author owes recip a fic. the recip owes author a polite and timely comment. end of.
remember it's holding their hand for a 100 word fic. oh noes, what if I don't delight them with my 100 words because I can't possibly write a ship for them. ok then you write them 100 words of gen and get the fuck over yourself.
meh. it isn't a big deal either way but if you sign up to a character-matching drabble exchange and the only information you give is the ships you like, some people are going to side-eye you. You can deal with that, right?
It's 100 words. I've not writing you a novel about all the possible 100 word stories I might want about the character. I've going to give you a list of what I like, which is usually ship-based. If you can't write that for 100 words, write what you can and I'll say "thanks!" and go read something else. The energy the side-eye anons are putting in that thread could have been spent writing treats they enjoyed writing instead of bitching about a signup that isn't perfectly suited for them the writer. For a 100 word fic.
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1) 75 out of 355 works were ~100 words last round, JSYK.
2) Your attitude towards drabbles kind of sucks. Such a short format has its own challenges and IME even slightly longer works are easier to come up with a concept for and write. Sure, it's not some massive investment like FFFX where you ideally want to be on the same page as much as possible, but being so 'It's just 100 words!' about it just makes it sound like you don't put any effort into yours.
1) 75 out of 355 works were ~100 words last round, JSYK.
2) Your attitude towards drabbles kind of sucks. Such a short format has its own challenges and IME even slightly longer works are easier to come up with a concept for and write. Sure, it's not some massive investment like FFFX where you ideally want to be on the same page as much as possible, but being so 'It's just 100 words!' about it just makes it sound like you don't put any effort into yours.
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