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coalie ([personal profile] coalcube) wrote in [community profile] coaltide2024-10-20 09:54 am
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Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-28 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is that omegaverse is built off a lot of the tropes of sexist oppression, which is something that it's likely that your recip has had some experience with. You have a greater chance of hitting a recip who's been sexually harassed or sexually assaulted or hit a significant barrier due to sexism than to hit a recip with eating disorders.

I don't think omegaverse is "so endemic to fic culture" at all. It's a large AU in some fandoms. That's it.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
Omegaverse is still a fantasy trope though where the sexual oppression that exists is several layers removed from the real world. Eating disorders are very much real world issues.

Also, omegaverse is fairly popular, eating disorders popping up in fic when there's no canon basis for it is vanishingly rare. So omegaverse is much more in the "they should know it's not unlikely to appear and DNW it if they don't want it" than random eating disorder fic.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Eating disorders therefore presumably exist in the world of the canon, while omegaverse does not. It's therefore far more of a step away from the canon setting and situation. It's precisely this lack of canon basis that means that people shouldn't have to specify it as a DNW as they shouldn't be at risk of getting it unprompted. Just like they shouldn't be at risk of getting the fic where A and B and C are part of a swarm of bees and D is an anteater.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
CYRT

I just disagree with this approach to both fic content and DNWs. I DNW AUs because they're a big part of fanfic culture and if I didn't DNW them, I think the author wouldn't be wrong to write them.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree about AUs in general, but not about all AUs. Canon divergence and setting AUs are a big part of fanfic culture. AUs which create a whole alternate system of reproduction and discrimination are not.

If you're in Supernatural RPF fandom, which originated omegaverse, maybe it's common enough to be a huge risk. In most fandoms, things like omegaverse and hanahaki or whatever crazy biologically deterministic AU is rising in some other fandoms, are not the same.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Omegaverse is still a fantasy trope though where the sexual oppression that exists is several layers removed from the real world.

Citation needed, in most omegaverse fics I've read you can find/replace "omega" with "woman" and it just reads like someone's slightly iddy AU of real misogyny.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Omegaverse is het with two cocks for people who are too shy and/or misogynistic for actual het.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
It also comes with an extra dose of misogyny.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
There's tons of omegaverse where I'd argue this isn't the case, I personally know a lot of trans people who are writing their own feelings into omegaverse in a dozen different ways, from filthy porn to gender issues.

But what pretty much all of it has in common is that some degree of real-world gender, sex, and gendered-and-sexual-violence comes into play, plus there are dog dicks, so people's desire to avoid it/its status as an AU not everyone is willing to read should be blisteringly obvious.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-29 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
yep

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-30 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
...you realize not all omegaverse is m/m, right? No, I guess not.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-30 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Everything is het if you squint really hard, make up shit, and claim the people making it are damaged.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-30 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Alpha*s*Beta*s*Omega%20Dynamics/works

Sure, just, uh, 83% of it.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-30 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
It’s so het it has two dicks.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-30 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
As someone who likes omegaverse I would feel weird gifting it to anyone unprompted, especially for yuletide, because of how much omegaverse usually revolves around the idea that the featured characters are gonna bang in some way, never mind the question of how much it leans into the omegas=women thing.

Re: Why isn't Yuletide growing?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-30 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
I would feel weird gifting it to anyone unprompted, especially for yuletide, because of how much omegaverse usually revolves around the idea that the featured characters are gonna bang in some way

What? I've never written omegaverse for Yuletide, but every single fic I've written for Yuletide "revolves around the idea that the featured characters are gonna bang in some way".