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Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Right. It's like being a shock jock and then shaking and crying about people calling the station demanding you be fired. You wanted people to react and now you're whining at the mildest possible pushback.
Eh. It's fine to have exceptions to your preferences/dislikes/DNWs as long as you explain it clearly. It's only annoying when people give conflicting instructions without elaborating.
"Like: creampie; DNW: bodily fluids" is annoying.
"I want a story about these two prominently interacting with each other unless it's for this one specific prompt where one of the characters is turned into a rock by an evil wizard and the other one has to break the curse." is fine.
"Like: creampie; DNW: bodily fluids" is annoying.
"I want a story about these two prominently interacting with each other unless it's for this one specific prompt where one of the characters is turned into a rock by an evil wizard and the other one has to break the curse." is fine.
+1 My problem is with the people who make gross "we've gotta allow nazis/sexual RPF of kids/blatant racist slurs fic! you don't want to be an anti, right???" arguments. I don't care if people want to ship an fictional age gap ship or what have you.
This could honestly be my letter, and I would be fine with the fic you've described, but since I cannot speak for all of us, you might want to ask the mods to ask your recip.
Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)I haven't, either way, and I've been doing this for a decade. I'm wondering how common they are, I guess.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, requested, and it was very much for the better because it kept me from gifting a treat that would've hit a (somewhat vague and up to interpretation) DNW. Recip clarified that the way I was planning to do it would be exactly what they didn't want, I wrote something different, happy ending for all.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)I've requested clarifications three times, and it's always gone very smoothly. I've been doing Yuletide since 2010.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, but not in Yuletide.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)SC
As a recipient.
As a recipient.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)Yes to both (mostly because I didn't have a clue what I was doing back at the beginning and my sign-ups weren't great, so I'm surprised I only got asked for clarification once!).
Actually, I just went back and checked, and I see that it wasn't just once--the mods also reached out to me to ask whether I had gifts deliberately disabled one year (my bad; I think it was when that AO3 setting change kicked in?).
And the other way around, I asked mods for clarification on DNWs once & if somebody was open to treats one time, too.
All that in only six years! I had no idea I was such a chatty person, damn.
Actually, I just went back and checked, and I see that it wasn't just once--the mods also reached out to me to ask whether I had gifts deliberately disabled one year (my bad; I think it was when that AO3 setting change kicked in?).
And the other way around, I asked mods for clarification on DNWs once & if somebody was open to treats one time, too.
All that in only six years! I had no idea I was such a chatty person, damn.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)I've asked a few times, yes ... I think 4 times in total? 3 times I was super happy I asked because the answer gave me everything I needed; 1 time the answer was not what I hoped but I guess it was bound to happen at some point.
I think in all my time of doing exchanges I've only been contacted once with a request from my writer.
I think in all my time of doing exchanges I've only been contacted once with a request from my writer.
CYRT
Sorry to be unclear! (And I see a lot of typos in my answer too - oops.)
What I mean is, my answers for 1-4 were meant to be general answers, where my author isn't sure what direction to take or my prompts are vague. But when I *do* have prompts that favor one character over another, then my author should feel safe following the prompts.
Or, say I have space trains, canon compliance, and mundane slice of life in my likes, and I ask for A/B. There is a period in canon where B is working on the space train station and A is in a different part of the galaxy. I'd like some shippy content, but it would make sense if the fic was largely about B working on the space train station (maybe with some intercut scenes with A, or A sends letters to B, or something).
Sorry to be unclear! (And I see a lot of typos in my answer too - oops.)
What I mean is, my answers for 1-4 were meant to be general answers, where my author isn't sure what direction to take or my prompts are vague. But when I *do* have prompts that favor one character over another, then my author should feel safe following the prompts.
Or, say I have space trains, canon compliance, and mundane slice of life in my likes, and I ask for A/B. There is a period in canon where B is working on the space train station and A is in a different part of the galaxy. I'd like some shippy content, but it would make sense if the fic was largely about B working on the space train station (maybe with some intercut scenes with A, or A sends letters to B, or something).
1. They don't need to be present onscreen in equal amounts, but I want them both to be fully essential to the story, if that makes sense. If B disappears in the first scene and A spends the rest of the fic profiling them to figure out where they went, that's fine. If B disappears in the first scene and is never mentioned again and their disappearance has no effect on anything else A does, I don't like that.
2. If I request two characters and require them both to appear, I always want fic about the dynamic between the two characters. It doesn't have to be "relationship" in the usual / or & sense but I want a story about the two of them in relation to each other, if that makes sense. It could be shipfic that's intensely about their romantic relationship. It could be two 500 word sections where the two have never met, never interact, and never think about each other, but the whole thing is set up structurally to focus on all the parallels and contrasts between them. If it's a casefic where Detective A interviews witness B about the crime and then goes on to solve the crime using a fact that B mentioned, I'm going to be very meh. If it's a casefic where Detective A interviews witness B and something B said in the interview about their family makes them rethink the entire case, re-evaluate their relationship with their dad, and keep coming back to thinking about that thing B said, I'll be happy.
3. If I request three characters and want them all written, I almost certainly specifically want fic that focuses on their dynamic with each other as a set of three (I am much less likely to require all characters for 3+ though.)
4. It depends on what else you are doing with all that wordcount. If you're filling my Hail Mary this-definitely-needs-a-novel prompt and doing a good job, I honestly couldn't care less if you completely ignore my requested characters. If you're filling every single prompt in my letter with the crossover of my dreams, do whatever the fuck you want. If you write 10000 words of your favorite characters being gooey together and mine each pop in for five hundred words, I hate it thanks. But generally if all my requested characters are substantially present in the novel and I get at least the equivalent of my 1000+ words exploring their dynamic with each other, it's probably fine if most of the novel is actually an ensemble genfic about finding the Hidden Treasure of the Starling People. My desire for focus on characterization/relationship work decreases proportionally with your ability to write a really good novel plot.
Also if I request more than one character and require them all to be written, I probably at least & ship them whether I specifically prompt for it or not. I may not care if you ship it but I usually request either any or just one character unless there's a particular relationship that has really grabbed me (and unless I DNW it specifically I am happy to see what happens if it goes romantic too.)
2. If I request two characters and require them both to appear, I always want fic about the dynamic between the two characters. It doesn't have to be "relationship" in the usual / or & sense but I want a story about the two of them in relation to each other, if that makes sense. It could be shipfic that's intensely about their romantic relationship. It could be two 500 word sections where the two have never met, never interact, and never think about each other, but the whole thing is set up structurally to focus on all the parallels and contrasts between them. If it's a casefic where Detective A interviews witness B about the crime and then goes on to solve the crime using a fact that B mentioned, I'm going to be very meh. If it's a casefic where Detective A interviews witness B and something B said in the interview about their family makes them rethink the entire case, re-evaluate their relationship with their dad, and keep coming back to thinking about that thing B said, I'll be happy.
3. If I request three characters and want them all written, I almost certainly specifically want fic that focuses on their dynamic with each other as a set of three (I am much less likely to require all characters for 3+ though.)
4. It depends on what else you are doing with all that wordcount. If you're filling my Hail Mary this-definitely-needs-a-novel prompt and doing a good job, I honestly couldn't care less if you completely ignore my requested characters. If you're filling every single prompt in my letter with the crossover of my dreams, do whatever the fuck you want. If you write 10000 words of your favorite characters being gooey together and mine each pop in for five hundred words, I hate it thanks. But generally if all my requested characters are substantially present in the novel and I get at least the equivalent of my 1000+ words exploring their dynamic with each other, it's probably fine if most of the novel is actually an ensemble genfic about finding the Hidden Treasure of the Starling People. My desire for focus on characterization/relationship work decreases proportionally with your ability to write a really good novel plot.
Also if I request more than one character and require them all to be written, I probably at least & ship them whether I specifically prompt for it or not. I may not care if you ship it but I usually request either any or just one character unless there's a particular relationship that has really grabbed me (and unless I DNW it specifically I am happy to see what happens if it goes romantic too.)
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)I've requested clarification, but not in Yuletide.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)A few times over twenty years. There was once I had to email the mods to tell my still-anon author to stop emailing me, that was fun. When I've asked for clarification on something the only time I've had a really satisfactory answer was in a non-YT exchange, in yuletide it's either been the mods saying "They didn't reply, do whatever" or a response from the recip that clarified nothing.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)You're anon
Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh
Stop eee-emailing me
Eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh
Stop eee-emailing me
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)I've only received one once, having done Yuletide on and off since 2011; my writer was asking if I would be okay with a crossover with a related canon in the same fictional universe. (Amusingly, while the real question was fine, it was the fake questions the Yulemods padded it out with that sent me into an, "Aargh, no, no, no! WTF is this person thinking about writing me?" panic spin, because they quite innocently decided that a good parallel question in one of my other fandoms would be asking if I'd be okay with a crossover with the absolutely dire adaptation-in-name-only that everyone who likes the original pretends never existed.)
I think the name is stupid.
I think people having the vapors over the name is even stupider. It's a common phrase you will see in your life many times being used as a dirty pun.
I think people having the vapors over the name is even stupider. It's a common phrase you will see in your life many times being used as a dirty pun.
No one's having vapors but I'm gonna be honest with you, I actually don't often come across pedophilia jokes.
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-28 12:23 am (UTC)(link)I once got an email asking if I was still OK with receiving a certain fandom because the main actor was missing and presumed dead, and while I appreciated the thoughtfulness... that email was how I found out that the actor was missing and presumed dead.
I don’t think anyone’s having the vapors, so I guess things are cool
Re: Have you ever had or requested a mod clarification email?
(Anonymous) 2024-10-28 12:29 am (UTC)(link)Ouch. Not sure there was a right action there.
+1
I pretty much dgaf if people write weird shit if it doesn't involve real minors, but the name has been gross to me since I first saw it. That doesn't mean I think the mods or participants should be canceled or whatever, I think they should use their braincells to figure out why the name is tactless at best.
I pretty much dgaf if people write weird shit if it doesn't involve real minors, but the name has been gross to me since I first saw it. That doesn't mean I think the mods or participants should be canceled or whatever, I think they should use their braincells to figure out why the name is tactless at best.
If I request two characters, A and B, then I want them both to appear 'on-screen' for a significant chunk of the fic, and their stories to intersect in some way. In the context of a 1k Yuletide fic I would probably expect, say, a fic from A's POV where B shows up for at least a few hundred words of that 1k, either in the story's present or a narrative flashback rather than just A thinking about them in their absence. If they're not directly interacting then I would at least expect A to be observing and thinking about B's actions, and for those actions to have some sort of plot significance rather than being just a cameo you could snip out and still be left with a perfectly solid A solo fic.
Another possibility, depending on the canon situation and the type of prompts I leave, might be for A and B to be separated but to each still get one or more scenes from their POV or otherwise focused on them, which are then somehow connected and come together as part of the overarching plot. But that's more of a tall order with a 1k minimum, unless maybe it's something like epistolary with a back-and-forth of short letters between them or a Five Things type structure made up of mini scenes.
Another possibility, depending on the canon situation and the type of prompts I leave, might be for A and B to be separated but to each still get one or more scenes from their POV or otherwise focused on them, which are then somehow connected and come together as part of the overarching plot. But that's more of a tall order with a 1k minimum, unless maybe it's something like epistolary with a back-and-forth of short letters between them or a Five Things type structure made up of mini scenes.
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