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Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Yuletide Discord for Hippos & Exchanges After Dark Discords for Namespace
Saying "lol gross" is not "handwringing" dude
Oh so when you claimed to know how the name was chosen you were just 100% talking out your ass. Got it.
It's a dumb pun related to the exchange name, "kids come first", which is, surely you understand this, cutesy and creepy.
I'm on the other side here: I don't have any ships that would fall under the exchange's purpose, but I just don't see how the exchange name is cutesy or off-putting.
Really?
It's a joke about young children (kids) in sexual situations with others, having orgasms.Does it not make sense that when the real-life situation would, overwhelmingly, be serious child abuse, treating this as a humorous subject is going to put some people off?
Other exchanges allow extreme underage content, sure. But KCF allows a wide range of underage content, and they've deliberate chosen as their brand a name that describes a specific, quite taboo situation rather than a general topic.
Most fiction contains content that would in real life be serious abuse, disturbing, etc.
CYRT
It just... doesn't come across as a joke to me. It's a dark twist on the "kids come first" (i.e. should be prioritized) phrase.
And it's what the exchange is about - even if you say that it doesn't apply to every underage scenario the exchange covers, which is probably true, but from what I see older character/underage character is the main point of interest there.
IDK, I feel like "references to underage orgasms in the title are gross" is a silly complaint about an underage exchange.
It just... doesn't come across as a joke to me. It's a dark twist on the "kids come first" (i.e. should be prioritized) phrase.
And it's what the exchange is about - even if you say that it doesn't apply to every underage scenario the exchange covers, which is probably true, but from what I see older character/underage character is the main point of interest there.
IDK, I feel like "references to underage orgasms in the title are gross" is a silly complaint about an underage exchange.
SC
Also, I really don't see what real life situations have to do with it. It's a fic exchange. Most themes that fall under nonconathon are serious and horrific crimes in real life, so is the pun in the title offensive here as well?
Also, I really don't see what real life situations have to do with it. It's a fic exchange. Most themes that fall under nonconathon are serious and horrific crimes in real life, so is the pun in the title offensive here as well?
I wouldn't say "most fiction", but yeah, making "but in real life" arguments is stupid.
Okay, so I'm sure you discuss noncon fic around the water cooler at your office, then.
I'm sure Nonconathon puts some people off too, but far, far fewer. I can think of several reasons. It doesn't call to mind a specific situation, and the name is much less literal and much less of a stretch as a pun. It is literally a sustained event (-athon, like telethon) relating to noncon fic, and noncon is a long established term that helps maintain some distance between kink and more RL-adjacent rape discussions.
I get that different people are going to have different reactions to it, but the KCF moderators deliberately chose the name as a joke, so yes, people are reacting to it as that joke.
I get that different people are going to have different reactions to it, but the KCF moderators deliberately chose the name as a joke, so yes, people are reacting to it as that joke.
Huh. My reading of "nonconathon" was always "marathon, but for noncon".
DC
I don't discuss fanfic in the office at all. Not even the tamest fluffiest gen fic.
I don't discuss fanfic in the office at all. Not even the tamest fluffiest gen fic.
No, it doesn't. Maybe most fiction *that you read*.
I'm convinced by this interaction that your decision to consume fiction only depicting morally upright acts means you're a just and righteous person, don't worry coalie
You've really mastered a dismissive sidestepping, genuine kudos to you.
I believe, however, that you understand that one coalie's statement about 'most fiction' is a reply to another coalie's statement about 'most fiction' and that both represent a subjective understanding based on what those coalies read, rather than a claim to literary purity.
I believe, however, that you understand that one coalie's statement about 'most fiction' is a reply to another coalie's statement about 'most fiction' and that both represent a subjective understanding based on what those coalies read, rather than a claim to literary purity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference
Rancid vibes coalie here:
Part of it is just that the vibes are off to me, and I can't really justify it. I don't think I'm the only one with that issue though, given all the other coalies in this conversation.
I think a lot of it is though that it does very vividly and deliberately call to mind a particular kind of underage scene, and while I support everybody's right to write their own kinks (and, in fact, to name their exchanges with rancid vibes) it's a particular kind of underage that is on the edge of squicky to me and that is squicky to even a lot of people who like underage. Like, it's a line of dialogue that would be in the kind of underage fic where I might read it in the right mood but I'm going to want to come to it warned, prepared, and wanting that squicky feeling, not just casually browsing my feed. And it calls that scenario to mind very vividly in a way that's going to give a lot of people specific mental imagery, it doesn't just reference it laterally. So, a, every time I see the name I get mildly squicked, and b, it implies that the people running the fest have poor judgement for what kind of things are better off kept behind warnings for people who actively want to see them, which is a really bad sign for mods of a fest dealing with sensitive stuff, where you generally need extra good judgement. Something like "Underagex", while it would still offend the antis, at least isn't forcing people to think about a particular frequently-squicky-or-triggery scene.
It's the equivalent of having an user icon with an explicit kink in it. There's reasons icons and account names are censored even on sites that don't censor much else, and it's because they're going to get seen by people who aren't expecting or prepared for them. That just-barely-deniably-explicit username referencing something that basically all of fandom agrees needs a warning is what they decided to use as the primary public face of their fest, that's going to show up in places like, idk, pinch hit listings being spread all over exchange spaces, even though the details of the pinch hits themselves would be, wisely, hidden.
That their reasoning for doing that is "it's a funny pun" just kind of compounds the error of judgement (and, honestly, makes the squicky imagery problem worse, because I have to think about it a little longer every time in order to mentally deal with the fucking pun.)
Part of it is just that the vibes are off to me, and I can't really justify it. I don't think I'm the only one with that issue though, given all the other coalies in this conversation.
I think a lot of it is though that it does very vividly and deliberately call to mind a particular kind of underage scene, and while I support everybody's right to write their own kinks (and, in fact, to name their exchanges with rancid vibes) it's a particular kind of underage that is on the edge of squicky to me and that is squicky to even a lot of people who like underage. Like, it's a line of dialogue that would be in the kind of underage fic where I might read it in the right mood but I'm going to want to come to it warned, prepared, and wanting that squicky feeling, not just casually browsing my feed. And it calls that scenario to mind very vividly in a way that's going to give a lot of people specific mental imagery, it doesn't just reference it laterally. So, a, every time I see the name I get mildly squicked, and b, it implies that the people running the fest have poor judgement for what kind of things are better off kept behind warnings for people who actively want to see them, which is a really bad sign for mods of a fest dealing with sensitive stuff, where you generally need extra good judgement. Something like "Underagex", while it would still offend the antis, at least isn't forcing people to think about a particular frequently-squicky-or-triggery scene.
It's the equivalent of having an user icon with an explicit kink in it. There's reasons icons and account names are censored even on sites that don't censor much else, and it's because they're going to get seen by people who aren't expecting or prepared for them. That just-barely-deniably-explicit username referencing something that basically all of fandom agrees needs a warning is what they decided to use as the primary public face of their fest, that's going to show up in places like, idk, pinch hit listings being spread all over exchange spaces, even though the details of the pinch hits themselves would be, wisely, hidden.
That their reasoning for doing that is "it's a funny pun" just kind of compounds the error of judgement (and, honestly, makes the squicky imagery problem worse, because I have to think about it a little longer every time in order to mentally deal with the fucking pun.)
New to this conversation, but this is well articulated, and I agree with you.
Well said and describes my general feelings on the exchange name too.
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