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coalie ([personal profile] coalcube) wrote in [community profile] coaltide2021-10-13 07:35 pm
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Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
Ayrt

Not to a degree I couldn't write for them. Some of their kinks squick me a lot, but some are RTMI.

And generally speaking I think "ask for what you want" (even when what you want is niche) is a good guideline for an exchange letter, and this person even goes out of their way to assure their author that they're also fine with other things (which, honestly, is nothing I do - ODAO, but I'm not going to encourage you to give me gen fic). It's not like they're saying "write me a racekink toddlercon AU or you'll ruin my Yuletide", so I'm kind of boggling at all this handwringing.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
says more about you that you're boggling at the reactions tbh

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

You're not wrong. It says that I'm stupidly naive expecting coalies to be less judgemental than they are. My bad.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 10:35 am (UTC)(link)
NA
Excuse us for being ~judgemental~ about people who write about their slash preferences in weird, racist ways.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
JFC, KINKTOMATO also and especially applies to kinks you don't like or approve of. 🙄

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Ayrt
No, fuck off. Kinktomato would be for the person to kink on racism, comments like "modern western genders" makes clear that the letter reflects their real life views. They are a bigot.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, a lot of that stuff reads like a) I am trying to be so open to all kinks I don't actively hate that I scare people off and b) I am fetishizing old-style two-white-dudes slash fic where you can tell who tops by the hair color and c) I am extremely socially awkward and bad at current fandom discourse.

But the "modern western genders" stuff is pretty clearly "I'm an actual real-life transphobe," otherwise they wouldn't think "modern western genders" means trans stuff. (I am super tempted to write them an Imperial Radch AU that meets all their qualifications. Definitely no modern Western genders there! Don't know how else to avoid it.)

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)

*and b) I am fetishizing old-style two-white-dudes slash fic where you can tell who tops by the hair color *

THAT'S the vibe!

It's the "whoa, someone just stepped off alt.sex.stories and they haven't taken off their hammer pants yet" vibe

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm an old school fan, and "old-style two-white-dudes slash fic where you can tell who tops by the hair color" literally applies to 99% of my ships.

But anyone who talks about shipping as "fetishizing" is a major Tumblr anti red flag.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
coalie who used the word fetishising: I wasn't referring to shipping as fetishizing, not even old-white-dudes shipping, I too can still enjoy a good bodie/doyle h/c wallow.

(Also if you happen to always ship the blond tops, whatever, you're allowed to have a type. If you insist the blonde always tops to the point that you claim your favorite top is blond even in the face of obvious photographic evidence that they very very clearly aren't, I mocked you in the 90s and I mock you now too.)

But I meant to say that it was that specific style of/era in m/m fics they were fetishizing, not the ships. Or kinking on, if you prefer that language. Or obsessed with. Not just the ships but clinging to being part of that very specific fandom tradition at the expense of everything else. It's like the fandom equivalent of somebody whose whole house is 1970s kitsch down to contents of their bathroom cupboard. And that's not necessarily bad but it's definitely kinktomato.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Ayrt

See, I wouldn't have blinked an eye at "kinking on" or "obsessed with". But "fetishizing" specifically has a connotation that makes it a big red flag IMO.

(Having said that, I just realized that I got it wrong! I like dark haired tops and blond bottoms, oops.)

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm obsessed with your spelling variation, coalie

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm deliberately disguizing my spelling so you can't tell where I'm from, coalie.

Or I spent too long in transatlantic fandom and don't notice the difference anymore.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
It really reads like a direct inventory of all the things people used to complain about as bad slash stereotypes when I first got into fandom! Either they've been trapped in amber for twenty-five years or they just found a trove of oldfandom slash meta and discovered something about themselves. Given Renault fandom it could be either.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Given Renault fandom it could be either.

Lol, MTE.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I am fetishizing old-style two-white-dudes slash fic where you can tell who tops by the hair color

But they have it backwards! Everyone knows the blond bottoms!

Honestly that's the part of this letter I'm side-eying the most. Wanting old-style two-white-dudes slash fic is one thing, but imagine having such a weird, deviant preference for blond semes.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe that's why she's so strident, she's had to fight hard for her genre-busting, daring, and stereotype-defying shipping preferences!

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
She insists the bottom be older, too.

It's an interesting juxtaposition of the unorthodox and the conventional.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-21 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Ai no Kusabi, though.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-21 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Someone nominate this next year with CORN as a character. I will venmo you 500 dollars.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-21 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
The corn is from Boku No Sexual Harassment, isn't it?

(Admittedly the corn is blonder than Junya and I guess as the penetrative partner it's technically topping.)

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-21 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Just make sure to disambiguate in case it also gets nominated for Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
are you new, bruh?

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously. Don't expect coal to be anything but judgmental.

Re: Letter 3T1L - Mary Renault book letters

(Anonymous) 2021-10-20 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
Niche = awesome

Wanky = not awesome

This letter is wanky AF.