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coalie ([personal profile] coalcube) wrote in [community profile] coaltide2020-10-14 05:25 pm
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The Coalies & Other Stories

I will not read them in a Canon-Divergent AU.
I will not read them in Third Point-of-View.
Not in a Crossover! Not in Genfic!
Not in Shipfic! You let me be!

I do not like them in Fanart.
I do not like them even in the Fic of My Heart.
I will not read them in fic of my NOTP.
I do not like them with my OTP.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!
I do not like my DNWs!


Sign-ups: Friday 16 October to Monday 26 October
Assignments out: between 26 & 28 October
Default deadline: Friday 11 December
Assignment Deadline: Friday 18 December
Collection Opens: Friday 25 December
Author Reveals: Friday 1 January, 2021

Mini-Challenges:
YuleSwaps | Interactive Fiction | Wrapping Paper | Seasons Treatings
Yuleporn | Make the Yuletide Gay | Femslash Festivus

YuleBuilding | Two for One | Crueltide | Misses Claus | Cheftide

 

Yuletide Discord for Hippos. Google Group for PHs. F_F wiki for history.
 

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2020-10-18 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying fandom isn't often ablelist - in much the same way society in general is ablest - but this isn't one of those occasions. There's a point where language evolves and the meanings of words change so far from its original meaning that it's ridiculous that argue those terms are ableism.

People with highly stigmatized illnesses like schizophrenia getting killed and being ostracize from society or someone making those horrible "Trump is mental ill" cracks doesn't have anything to do with saying "I had a crazy day" or naming a fic collection "Yuletide madness". Colloquial use of those terms in a way that everyone understands are completely unrelated to mental illness aren't causing or furthering that stigma. If the colloquial use or all the non-mentally illness related meanings of "madness" were eradicated (never mind that this would have to be a very long process spanning decades if not more, because language doesn't work like that), it would have zero impact on the actual problems mentally ill people face.

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2020-10-18 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"it would have zero impact on the actual problems mentally ill people face."

Choosing to stop using those slurs is choosing to take all of the other issues with ableism serious because instead of using "the long history of the use of this word" as an use, you could choose to understand that the use stems from a deep divide between "normal" and "abnormal". I'm not even going to try to explain this by switchign out an ableist slur with a racist one, you can make the experiment yourself and decide if simply choosing a different word than madness (there are enough to choose from) would be so unnecessary. People who get shot because of their illness, or get locked away, or abused, still get called mad, and crazy, and ... You can't divide those words from ableist actions and you would not even dare to try this with sexist or racist ones. Ableism is way more allowed in society because public discourse hasn't reached the levels of antiracism and feminism (and look at how these ones are working out right now).

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2020-10-18 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
You can't divide those words from ableist actions

Actually plenty of people do just that, including many people who themselves aren't neurotypical. You're acting like there's a concensus that all people with mental health issues have agreed upon and that we all agree with your opinion on the subject of whether or not those words are ableist in any and all uses. Which is so very far from true it's astounding that anyone with any experience in antiableism activism, or in discussions amongst the wider communities would try to present this as some sort of agreed upon universal decision.

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2025-10-17 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
including many people who themselves aren't neurotypical.

DA: Well, according to coalies like CYRT, if we don't agree with everything they say we just have ~internalized ableism.

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2020-10-19 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Ableism is way more allowed in society because public discourse hasn't reached the levels of antiracism and feminism (and look at how these ones are working out right now).

Lol.

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2020-10-19 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
They're right (and I don't even agree with the madness thing). They're not saying antiracism and feminism are accepted and thriving, they're saying there's a lot more awareness about them than anti-ableism and society is still hugely racist and misogynistic.

Re: Unpopular Yuletide Opinions

(Anonymous) 2025-10-17 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Take this finger-wagging shit back to FFA.