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You are absolutely right but fandom sadly has no space for antiableism. It does not help that a lot of people will come in with "I'm mentally ill myself", meaning they have depression or anxiety, not understanding that people with highly stigmatized illnesses like schizophrenia still get shot because of ableism. It's also always discouraging when anon spaces try to talk about personality disorders, I can't read this shit anymore.

Our language is full of ableism but people won't think critically but this fact or it's impact it seems "right" to them to judge people who seem different or even "abnormal" to them. Using illness as a slur seems logical, it really isn't. In extreme cases like using slurs against people like Trump it also covers up the fact that he is willingly racist, sexicst and fucking dangerous.

I'm not saying fandom isn't often ablelist - in much the same way society in general is ablest - but this isn't one of those occasions. There's a point where language evolves and the meanings of words change so far from its original meaning that it's ridiculous that argue those terms are ableism.

People with highly stigmatized illnesses like schizophrenia getting killed and being ostracize from society or someone making those horrible "Trump is mental ill" cracks doesn't have anything to do with saying "I had a crazy day" or naming a fic collection "Yuletide madness". Colloquial use of those terms in a way that everyone understands are completely unrelated to mental illness aren't causing or furthering that stigma. If the colloquial use or all the non-mentally illness related meanings of "madness" were eradicated (never mind that this would have to be a very long process spanning decades if not more, because language doesn't work like that), it would have zero impact on the actual problems mentally ill people face.

"it would have zero impact on the actual problems mentally ill people face."

Choosing to stop using those slurs is choosing to take all of the other issues with ableism serious because instead of using "the long history of the use of this word" as an use, you could choose to understand that the use stems from a deep divide between "normal" and "abnormal". I'm not even going to try to explain this by switchign out an ableist slur with a racist one, you can make the experiment yourself and decide if simply choosing a different word than madness (there are enough to choose from) would be so unnecessary. People who get shot because of their illness, or get locked away, or abused, still get called mad, and crazy, and ... You can't divide those words from ableist actions and you would not even dare to try this with sexist or racist ones. Ableism is way more allowed in society because public discourse hasn't reached the levels of antiracism and feminism (and look at how these ones are working out right now).

You can't divide those words from ableist actions

Actually plenty of people do just that, including many people who themselves aren't neurotypical. You're acting like there's a concensus that all people with mental health issues have agreed upon and that we all agree with your opinion on the subject of whether or not those words are ableist in any and all uses. Which is so very far from true it's astounding that anyone with any experience in antiableism activism, or in discussions amongst the wider communities would try to present this as some sort of agreed upon universal decision.

including many people who themselves aren't neurotypical.

DA: Well, according to coalies like CYRT, if we don't agree with everything they say we just have ~internalized ableism.

Ableism is way more allowed in society because public discourse hasn't reached the levels of antiracism and feminism (and look at how these ones are working out right now).

Lol.

They're right (and I don't even agree with the madness thing). They're not saying antiracism and feminism are accepted and thriving, they're saying there's a lot more awareness about them than anti-ableism and society is still hugely racist and misogynistic.

Take this finger-wagging shit back to FFA.

"It's also always discouraging when anon spaces try to talk about personality disorders, I can't read this shit anymore."

~~Sry2say~~ the diagnostic criteria for most personality disorders, but especially Cluster B disorders^1,2, are not qualities I seek out in new friends

Sorry it sucks to be you, but it also sucks to be around you.

1. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320508
2. https://www.psi.uba.ar/academica/carrerasdegrado/psicologia/sitios_catedras/practicas_profesionales/820_clinica_tr_personalidad_psicosis/material/dsm.pdf

Do we have to get into personality disorder wank? No one is happy with how it turns out. It turns into complete demonization, etc. etc. People with properly treated personality disorders, who are committed to maintaining treatment, respectful, and responsible for their actions are perfectly fine as friends. Yes, people with personality disorders who aren't treated properly/don't take treatment seriously/etc. etc. are usually awful to be around and yes, it's also a fact that personality disorders are under-diagnosed and treatment is often not possible due to financial situations/health care/access to treatment. It's a complex issue. Done. No more talking about it needed.

+100000

5/10, points for creativity in format and making generalizations but saying this in a thread about ableism is a bit too on the nose, don’t you think?

I don't expect you to agree with me.

I'm coming from a place where a lot of activism around personality disorders has the central tenant of "Having Boundaries With People Who Have Personality Disorders Is Ableist" and it does not intersect well anyone else who has needs, or who (like me!) was raised by people with untreated personality disorders!

I assume that I will at some point see my friends when they're at their worst, and that worst is worse for people with personality disorders than it is for people without. I'm not taking a chance on someone losing their job, having to stop treatment suddenly, and then leaning on me for the kind of support I'm not (1) trained or (2) able to give, given my own set of mental illnesses and traumas.

I got enough of being put on a pedestal and then knocked to the ground as The Worst by my parents to take it from people I choose to be around, thanks.

But I guess call it ableist if you want to? I call it having the boundaries I need to have to stay safe.

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