coaltide | Offseason #1

What makes "trans women" women and not men to you? I know you'll call me a troll but absolutely genuine question from me.

They identify and live as women. They face the same institutional misogyny as the rest of us, while also dealing with transphobia on top of that. Biology isn't everything. It is one axis on which women are oppressed, but not the only axis. By the definition of many TERFS, infertile women or women who have had hysterectomies aren't women, and hopefully you agree that that at least is fucking ridiculous.

But you know that, and you don't care.

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ayrt

What does it mean to "identify and live as women"? To me, there is nothing to being a woman to identify into. I know I am a woman because of my biology and basing it on any non-physical attributes is supportive of the sex stereotypes feminism is supposed to fight against. Same with living as women. Is it to use a female name and dress up like women in your society often do and claim to be a woman? If I gave myself a name from another culture and claimed to be of that background, it would still not make me a member of that cultural group. As for clothing, there's nothing intrinsic to them that renders them for women, it's just social roles and expectations again.

I've never seen anybody claim that women who are infertile or have had hysterectomies are somehow less female. This is a strawman.

They do not face the same misogyny as the rest of us, nor would facing that misogyny somehow confer upon them the right to the descriptor woman. In the same way, someone who is straight but regularly taken for gay is entitled to protections that were set up to protect people from homophobia, but not entitled to claim that being treated as if they were gay makes them actually gay despite only being into the other sex.

NC

Oh how I wish you would anonfail. Actually, why do you do this anonymously? If you’re on the side of justice, own it. Stand up against those interloping trans women.

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This is an anon meme. Presumably that's also why you're on anon here.

NC

Yeah and most of us are here to bitch about letters and shit, not Fight Against Misogyny. I just think it’s striking I’ve never heard an exchange regular rant about these opinions in public. You believe it: own it. I

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Oh, so it was an absolutely genuine question where you just wanted an answer you could pick apart. Got it.

Genuine question doesn't mean that the answer has to be accepted at face value and absolutely can't be questioned further even if it makes no sense.

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I've never seen anyone against this gender identity shit ever said women who have had hysterectomies aren't women so you can burn that straw man

but it's "transphobic" for lesbians to not date trans women....this is something people do say, and often

excuse me, I must have missed the chapter in gay rights where we fought for our right for straight people to date us...oh yeah, never happened, too busy dealing with actual homophobia like getting denied jobs or housing and being beaten

but yeah you don't care about that

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They have defined womanhood so narrowly that women who have had hysterectomies no longer fit the definition. Like, I am more than my period and childbearing capability.

Do you genuinely think trans women aren't denied jobs, food, and housing? Do you think they aren't murdered at absolutely staggering rates? Because if so I have a bridge to sell you.

My last roommate was a trans woman and she dealt with so much more shit than I did as a lesbian, and I have dealt with more than my fair share of shit.

It is transphobic to go on and on about how you only date "real women" and how gross and undatable trans women are. Much like it is racist to say the same things about women of color. Your individual dating choices are your own to make. It is the way you speak about other people that is the problem.

For the record, I am a cis lesbian who would absolutely date a trans woman if we hit it off. I would not, however, date a terf. I am every bit as much a lesbian as you are.

DA

Humans are described as bipedal. That doesn't mean people who've had a leg amputated are somehow considered not human any longer.

Facing discrimination doesn't make you a woman.

Murdered at staggering rates where? Brazilians in prostitution? Yes. In say, the UK? No.

If you as a female person would date a male, you're not a lesbian, but a bisexual. That's fine, but it's not the same thing.

DA my fat ass

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter 3T1L

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I would not date a man, I am a lesbian who disagrees with you. Terfs are very quick to "no-true lesbian" anyone who doesn't fall for their bullshit, while happily throwing lesbian and bi women under the bus for the chance to hurt trans people.

people saying penises aren't female =/= people saying anyone who has had a hysterectomy is male or all womanhood is about periods

so is it sexist to not date men? lesbians and straight dudes just don't date men. no one's policing the straight men though

not all lesbians buy into this gender identity shit and the ones that don't are abused in their own community, for not dating trans women, for continuing to date trans men after transition while calling themselves lesbian, for not identifying as cis, for not transitioning, for detransitioning

all evil "TERFs"

I know people IDing as trans face oppression like being denied housing and actively fight against shit like that. why don't you concentrate on that instead of the evil lesbians that won't date the opposite sex?

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