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Sure, that would be fine. All of that is publicly available information. If your formatting choices or whatever make you easy to guess, it's not FFA's job to protect you. (And I say this as someone whose formatting choices make me easy to guess.)

My thing is that FFA mods seem to want outing based on (wild) speculation and not confirmed facts, and with the whole exploit thing is that heeroluva’s reveal didn’t come with screencaps so they could have been lying/speculating? (Multiple people before that checked and I’m sure a lot did after too, but again no one posted caps.)

Heeroluva totally wrote it but there is no reason for the mods to act like “I had to know and I’ll share the info with you” is undeniable proof of anything. I can say “I happen to know for a fact that coadie wrote gaybashing dragon fic. I also know morbane’s name is Donald Trump. I would want someone to tell me so I’m sharing” and it is the same level of baseless information sharing as the heeroluva reveal.

To me, if anything, allowing things where people compile evidence and links to conclusively name someone is what the FFA mods should ban if they’re ~so~ worried about outing people on meme because that’s the sort of stuff that exposes them without a doubt. If the heeroluva exposing anon had originally said “anon upthread saying it had to be a BNF made me curious so I compared all the BNFs I could think of in the Google writing thing and holy shit meme, heeroluva was 99.99989% match. I can’t believe such a good egg would write DNWs and unrequested racist bullshit” (even if what they really did was the exploit) would we still be able to say his name???? It just seems so dumb and arbitrary.

Wild speculation is just wild speculation. Nonnies will take it with a grain of salt if you say, "I know gay bashing dragon fic was written by Morbane! Don't ask me how, I just know!". Maybe a couple of people will believe you, but it's not an actual "outing". And I don't think FFA mods would mind evidence, but there's a difference between compiling readily available information and essentially hacking AO3 (yes, I know, it was a bug they exploited, but it's still iffy af).

But again to that I say, there is no proof of hacking. Before the exploit, I looked at all the anon fics in the collection and they were all written by Morbane, can you believe it? What an asshole!

Like there, the connection between the exploit and the Morbane name has been established. Even if it was true, with only me knowing that I actually did those things it should be speculation, but “hacking” Ao3 to look at all of the watson’s posting and noticing a pattern really does conclusively out them during this writing period. If they smarten up and throw it in an anon collection before reveals and delete the note, are we suddenly not allowed to say that it was them because xyzanon went in and used now-unavailable information? Because that is effectively true of heeroluva as well.

The real reason we know it was heeroluva is actually because he completely ghosted after the reveal happened. If he had stayed around like usual, either pretending he didn’t know about the wank or saying “I don’t know who hates me this much but that was not my fic? I only kink on biological races not ethnicities wtf” he could have caused some reasonable doubt in the FFA nonnies that will do anything not to have to confront racism, and he could have carried on with his namespace life.

The person who exploited the bug DID post a screen cap, though. Which could have been doctored, of course, but they shared what likely amounts to proof.

“hacking” Ao3 to look at all of the watson’s posting and noticing a pattern really does conclusively out them during this writing period. If they smarten up and throw it in an anon collection before reveals and delete the note, are we suddenly not allowed to say that it was them because xyzanon went in and used now-unavailable information? Because that is effectively true of heeroluva as well.

If you can't see the difference between sharing public information, regardless of whether or not it's deleted afterwards, and doing what the person who outed heeroluva as the author of the fic did, I can't help you.

Wasn’t it a tiny screencap, which of course is very easy to fake on a plain text site like Ao3 anyway? It just seems to add needless work to their modding life by this being something they have to actively mod against. If someone was trying to doxx heeroluva’s real name/location then yes, please put in the work. But defending a pretty much baseless claim for a fandom pseud that seeks to have been retired is crazy.

No, I don’t see how the means has that big of an impact on the ends when the ends are the same when the motives of those means (to expose someone for a perceived bad behavior on behalf of the researcher and against the will of the bad faith actor who undoubtedly doesn’t want to be exposed) are the same too. If isn’t a case of A accidentally putting a peanut in soup and B doing it on purpose, with C who ate both bowls dying because they’re allergic. The heeroluva anon sought out information and shared it to damage his rep. This Watson anon sought out information and is sharing it to ruin her rep. They used different tactics but the intent and outcome is literally the same.

"This Watson anon sought out information and is sharing it to ruin her rep."

Eh, not really. I was mostly looking to find better support for my statement that I thought one person had written both fics for the recip who got shafted. The Watson info was something I stumbled across in the process.

/watson-reveal-anon

sc And also, fawatson doesn't need me to ruin her name -- her past actions have accomplished more than enough on that front already.

I'm not sure I'd have shared the author's ID directly on coal if it hadn't been someone with a long, long track record of similar bullshit in exchanges. If the ID the search pulled up had been a NNF, I'd have shared the method, but not the name.

See also: does anyone think that differently of Untherius after his NYR DNW-a-palooza this round? I guess a few people are no longer saying "he wrote a coffeeshop AU, maybe he's changed!" but it's not like this year's NYR gave us new information.

Well, that's surely a take.

If you commit a crime, you can be convicted on circumstancial evidence. If the police illegally finds evidence without a search warrant, you'll go free. You committed the same crime, but different tactics to catch you will make all the difference in the end.

You sound like one of those people who say we can't "cancel" accessed rapists because they haven't had their fair trial in court yet.

Fandom isn't entitled to due process coalie, holy shit. Just because heeroluva was exposed via an exploit doesn't mean we have to throw out the knowledge and treat him the same like the actualfax law. He hasn't been sent to jail.

His life isn't even ruined! I bet he's got a new account and signed up to Yuletide with no drama. Shit, based on how upset you are on what happened to him like he's Brock Turner or something, you could be him lurking coal!

A dedicated handful of FFA wankers are infinitely more upset about rule-breaking than they are about racism or its affect on people.

cyrt

No lies detected =___=

AYRT

Wtf? I'm not at all upset what happened to him. I was arguing with AIRT that I understood mods putting a lid on nonnies outing authors via an AO3 exploit and that it wasn't the same as saying "this person has the same style as fawatson, it's probably them".

Comparing this situation to how we feel about accused rapists is tasteless as fuck.

Ugh, this.

You can't dox a pseudonym. Why does nobody get this.

cyrt didn't say anything about doxing.

The real reason we know it was heeroluva is actually because he completely ghosted after the reveal happened. If he had stayed around like usual, either pretending he didn’t know about the wank or saying “I don’t know who hates me this much but that was not my fic? I only kink on biological races not ethnicities wtf” he could have caused some reasonable doubt in the FFA nonnies that will do anything not to have to confront racism, and he could have carried on with his namespace life.

Yup. The ONLY reason heeroluva put that in the anon collection was they were warned they were being wanked about and wanted to avoid the consequences. The FFA mods are just enabling them in that.

I doubt anyone had to warn heeroluva. He's been on FFA a long time.

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