coaltide | Offseason #6

Yes.

It’s about fandom. It would be one thing if it was like coal where there is no modding, but since FFA does have modding and strict topics, they should keep it to fandom.

“But politics is a fandom” if you are that fannish and it’s that popular, revive ontd_politics as an anon meme. “It’s not that popular” then it doesn’t need to be on a fandom meme.

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Meme is inherently a political place when so many users of meme are members of marginalized identity. We experience politics in our lives every day whether you like it or not. I can't just turn off politics in my life when I'm trans AFAB.

If you want to talk about how various LGBT* characters on heartstopper are treated go for it. If a book directly deals with trans bans, talk about it. Treating countries and real world politik as fandoms turns into zero sum tribalism which makes you identical (if not morally superior, I agree) to Fox News mainliners. Don’t act like FFA is moving the needle on policies, serves as an organizing base, etc. Treating Ukraine vs Russia like its Wincest vs Destiel with some troll who has no life and DOES see it as having the same meaning is not activism.

Right but people weren't talking about having the ban on discussion changed, they simply asked for the mods to be consistent in the language they used for the rules, nobody was treating what's happening in Ukraine like ship wars, nor were they treating the very real atrocities as fandoms, so your handwringing over these nonexistant behaviours is incredibly dumb. I've not seen anyone try to claim that there is any activism inherent to discussions about the wording of the rules, so once again you're whining about a thing that hasn't happened. Nobody other than you has suggested that ffa might move the needle in politics as the idea is patently ridiculous. Your insistence about believing the worst of anyone who wants to talk about these issues, is a demonstration of your own biases in a pretty ugly way.

Politics have been discussed on and off on ffa since the earliest posts, it's not a new thing, or a change to what the meme is about. The constant demands to not talk about it are far newer.

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Yes, the demands to stop making it a joyless drag of a politics slapfight wank meme populated by nothing about trolls who don't actually give a shit about what they're championing ramped up when you shitheads couldn't stop being joyless drags in one single place in your life. Fascinating how that works. Truly amazing. You deserve a Nobel prize.

So how long exactly have you been psychic ? The way you can ascertain people's motives and beliefs through the internet is nothing short of amazing. Maybe you should take your act out into the real world where it could do some good. Unless of course you're just a racist shitstain who wants to be able to get praised for shutting down any discussions that might upset your oh so delicate sensibilities. In which case carry on making dumbass assumptions about people, as you seem to enjoy making yourself look like a complete idiot

Do you seriously think you're not wildly transparent? It doesn't take a psychic to understand your stupid dogshit narcissism.

Caring about Palestinians and genocide is not narcissistic.

You don't.

This performative shit isn't caring about genocide.

>The way you can ascertain people's motives and beliefs through the internet is nothing short of amazing.

>Unless of course you're just a racist shitstain

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I know your reading comprehension is for shit, but seriously can't you tell the difference between someone insisting they know that only trolls and narcissists would care about wanting the ffa mods to change the racist phrasing of the rule and someone suggesting a possible reason for someone's behaviour, without claiming it was definitely true, the first was an absolute statement the second was raising a query as to why someone might be so keen to force people to not talk about this.

Your scrambling is almost as funny as your hypocrisy babes.

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I think they should change the wording of the post, but it's true that the left in particular has a problem with focusing on small things as symbolic of a larger problem and then treating the symbol as if it's the whole problem and the most important location of a battle, while the actual battle rages on elsewhere.

I'll bite.

Coalie really was right about smooth-brains.

The argument is this: There are two types who engage in these debates.

1. People on either side who firmly believe in their POV. There is no argument or revelatory information that some random anon is going to give that is going to change these people's POV, for better or worse. That means that Pro-Palestine/Anti-Genocide won't be swayed by Zionist rhetoric in this specific case, but also that you aren't gonna somehow come up with the magic words to make a Zionist flip sides. There are instances, usually IRL and via people whom they know and already respect, where you can make an impact. An anon meme isn't gonna be it.

2. Trolls or people who picked a side for shallow reasons in the same way people will fight for hours over Wincest or Destiel being more canon.

It does no good for type 1 to talk to one another on an anon meme because FFA is not an activist space and there is no marketplace of fandom ideas where it's worth coming together on these type of real life political issues. Type 1 interacting with type 2 just leads to feeding the trolls and type 1 genuinely having their feelings hurt.

If you genuinely think that you have to share your POV in a fannish space as if it's actually moving the needle or history will look back with judgement that your anonymous comment wasn't there to push back on some Zionist or troll saying unhinged shit...it does have shades of narcissism.

I'm willing to have this dumb debate with you because I'm waiting for my train. You could not pay me, even with a gun to my head, get me to talk to an anon Zionist. I guess we are built different.

Would you talk to a non-anon Zionist?

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Yes, you do. You don't have to talk about them EVERYWHERE YOU GO.

Go away fash.

I'm also ~marginalized identity you dumbass. I am just capable of having a conversation about fandom that doesn't involve real life issues because I'm not a fucking child.

Oh so you're a pickme.

No, I'm just capable of talking about things besides myself? Like most people who aren't terminal narcissists.

It's very obvious why you're scared to come at the person who called you out for treating Wincest vs. Destiel like it's Ukraine v. Russia. You know you're wrong.

There must be maximum 1 sawcasm on ffa and coal put together, if that. But you're so up your own ass you really think you are the only marginalized person talking. Unreal amounts of solipsism.