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Re: Canon Recs - Canon Gay TV Shows

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
https://justpaste.it/9fy3q

I haven't updated it post tagset reveal, but here is a link to watch and the MyDramaList description for Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, and Thai BL dramas. Many Thai dramas are available on YouTube for free \o/

Re: Canon Recs - Canon Gay TV Shows

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
NA with no horse in this race but I always get a kick out of fandoms where the slash fans show up to get in their rare ships and the femslash fans clearly don’t care about it. It’s never the reverse where a femslash fan is the only one cares about a mainly slashy movie and I don’t know why.

Re: Canon Recs - Canon Gay TV Shows

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
DC

IIRC the m/m is also canon, while the female characters, though they are the leads and spend a lot of time together, are straight and involved with men.

Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm generally curious about what kinks you need to opt out of if you don't want them, because I don't want my letter to be a long list of DNWs. And specifically, is Daddy/Mommy kink opt in or opt out? I'm seeing a lot of letters DNW it, but I would've thought it was opt in.

Re: Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
sometimes people still DNW things that most writers would consider opt-in. I'd consider daddy/mommy kink opt-in

Re: Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
There's no universal standard. Judging by discussions we've had here before, people can't even agree on what constitutes "kink", let alone which ones are fair to write unprompted and which aren't. Some exchanges (mostly flash exchanges, AFAIK) have official opt-in lists that include certain kinks, but Yuletide doesn't.

Generally speaking, IMO, your best bet is going to be to prompt for what you want, and/or have a likes list including some smut likes to draw from, DNW what would absolutely 100% ruin a gift for you, and let a presumption of good faith take care of the rest. On the one hand, most people are not likely to write you an exceptionally kinky PWP totally unprompted; on the other hand, if you're asking for an m/m pairing with an age gap that's got a lot of daddy kink in the tag, you should probably let your author know you want them to avoid that in your gift.

Re: Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
There are some writers who think everything that isn't in the rules is opt-out. So if there's anything that will actually truly mess you up in the "panic attacks and weeks of nightmares" sense, not just the "I got a story I didn't like much" sense, DNW it no matter what. You'll never cover enough DNWs for all the things those people might think is okay though, so I wouldn't worry about it beyond those really, really important ones.

Also, anything that's a major part of canon is opt-out. Normally, say, incest is opt-in, but if your fandom is Flowers in the Attic, you need to explicitly opt-out.

Also, if you're the kind of person who does like most things and puts a note in your letter along the lines of "I am pretty much squick-free, go for it!" then you are saying that everything is now opt-out, so opt-out of anything.

Similarly, sometimes people who are wondering if something they are thinking about is okay will sometimes look at your fic/other gifts/recs etc. for the fandom you matched on, so if you have just rec'd a bunch of 24/7 power exchange fic on the same account as your letter, but don't want it for YT, you might want to mention that.

Other than what's covered there - In Yuletide, anything NC-17 is probably opt-in. If you don't mention wanting sex in your letter you probably won't get anything explicit. (This doesn't mean no daddy kink though, sadly.)

Everything that requires an AO3 archive warning is definitely opt-in, or should be.

Most people won't write you "hard kink" unless they have reason to believe you want it. The problem appears when people disagree about what "hard kink" is because it's so mainstream in their corner they don't realize it isn't in other people's. Nearly everybody agrees that, say, scat or collaring or bestiality or tentacles or sibling incest are opt-in (unless they're canon) so those are probably less important to DNW honestly.

Things I'd say the 'not everybody agrees on the kink level' applies to are things like:
daddy/mommy/little kink
choking/breathplay
spanking/discipline
a/b/o
(m)pregnancy
low-key genderplay kink
various levels of arguable dubcon, like drunk sex or secretary/boss
incest between cousins/stepsiblings/foster siblings
consensual nonmonogamy
blood
fuzzy-handcuffs-level bondage

Probably some others that could be added to the list.

Re: Rabbit?

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Bunny Manders and Bunny (The Charioteer) are both in the tagset! Hopefully we'll get lots of good rabbity fic.

Re: Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that Daddy/Mommy kink is opt in unless it is canonical.

Personally, I consider pretty much all kink to be opt in unless it in the canon itself. That being said, I do DNW a few kink things like non-consensual sex, painplay etc. because those are things that I really don't want to receive and I think that a vast majority of writers will look at those and understand that I do not want to receive fic that doesn't contain those items or similar kinks (say, kinks involving blood) without me needing to specify each and every possible other DNW kink. Someone who is determined to gift me fic that crosses that line will always be able to find a DNW that I didn't think to include, so, for me, it's not worth going crazy trying to craft the perfect DNW list.

Re: Rabbit?

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Sadly, Bunny from Only Murders in the Building was not nominated. We could have had triple Bunny.

Re: Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I think for me, like, actual incest roleplay is definitely opt-in. But there are going to be a lot of people where it wouldn't occur to them to think twice about someone saying like "ooh daddy do me harder" or something if it wasn't DNW'd, and there also people super squicked by it at that level.

Re: Canon Recs - Canon Gay TV Shows

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
DC

Same deal with the Captain in the original BBC Ghosts, which is also in the tagset.

Re: Canon Recs - Canon Gay TV Shows

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
A Place to Call Home is so good. Those aren't the combination of characters I would have gone with, but I'm really excited that someone who wasn't me nominated it! I hope it gets requests, I'd love to write for it. All of the nominated characters are canonically queer, and that's not even all the queer characters on the show. It is an ensemble show, there's a lot of storylines and lots of romances, but in terms of screen time and sex scenes, the gay romances are given the same treatment as the straight ones.

(Trigger warning for conversion therapy. If anyone is actually interested in watching the show, I think it's around 50 episodes, I could do a full list of warnings, but I wanted to mention that one specifically since it's related directly to the nominated characters.)

Re: Canon Recs - historical Asia

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Four Onmyoji adaptations in the tagset this year with a common source in the novels, only one of which is actually Heian-ish as the rest are Chinese canons

Re: Kinks that are opt in/opt out

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I DNW specific kinks for two reasons. 1. It's a hard squick that I never want under any circumstances to the point that I feel the need to mention it, but not necessarily because I assume someone is going to write it for me if I don't. 2. It's related to things that I like, but aren't included in things I like. I could understand where someone would think that because I'm interested in Kink A, I'd also like adjacent Kink B, but it's actually not my thing.

Re: Rabbit?

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit
Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit
Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit
You got a beautiful chin,
You got beautiful skin,
You got a beautiful face,
You got taste,
You got beautiful eyes,
You got beautiful thighs,
You got a lot without a doubt,
But I think about blowin you out,
Cause you won't stop talkin,
Why dont you give it a rest?
You got more rabbit than Sainsbury's,
It's time you got it off your chest,
Now you was just the kind of girl to break my heart in two,
I knew right off when I first clapped my eyes on you,
But how was I to know you'd bend my earholes too
With your incessant talking?
You're becoming a pest.
Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit
Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit
Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit Rabbit

Thanks for the earworm

Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Respond to this comment with track(s) that you have had/will probably have on in the background through your writing period.

Re: Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
I have been looping Paradise Circus (Gui Boratto Remix) by Massive Attack recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQtHCv0OOwc

Re: Canon Recs - historical Asia

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Rookie Historian Goo Hae-ryung is set in early 19th century (ish because the premise is ahistorical) Joseon and is a romcom about women being appointed as court annalist-historians. There's court intrigue, office drama, secret pasts, the usual het romance, but the (female) protagonist is really fun and there's a nice supporting cast; what makes it really stand out is that a good half of the time the plot is about the sanctity and independence of the historical record and how important it is to keep it from being censored or corrupted by people in power.

Re: Canon Recs - Canon Gay TV Shows

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, the Captain in BBC Ghosts is canonically gay.

Re: Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
I've been looping the Shang-Chi score album a lot lately. It's so good, and really atmospheric for writing for me. (I can't write while music with lyrics is on, it distracts me.)

Re: Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
If I try to make a writing playlist I end up with an intricately-crafted fanmix and no story. :(

Re: Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Just give us one song, coalie!

Re: Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Just for you then, this one ends up on every writing mix by the time i post

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0

Re: Coal Playlist

(Anonymous) 2021-10-15 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
....and damn you now instead of working on my letter I have started throwing together an intricately crafted yet sarcastic fanmix of my writing process

It also has this song m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ