This is Yuletide, everybody make a scene

[coalcube]

I am the sock with the tear-away face

Low-effort with your gift and gone without a trace

I am the "who" when you call, "Who does an exchange without acknowledging their gift?"
I am the wanker blowing through your fics comments
I am the coalie dragging your letter at night
Filling your exchange to the brim with fright!

This is Coaltide!

Nominations: Tuesday 22 September to Thursday 1 October

Sign-ups: Friday 16 October to Monday 26 October

Assignments out: between 26 & 28 October

Default deadline: Friday 11 December

Assignment Deadline: Friday 18 December

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Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that one Coalie's LGBT Monarchs RPF definitely got rejected - and not renamed - though all three of the dudes are there under different RPF fandoms. Might be worth a challenge of the 'why are my characters spread out over these other fandoms? And why is Anne missing?' sort.

Otherwise, Swallows and Amazons is an odd lot this year. And Brian is missing from The Breakfast Club...

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

(that coalie)

After how much work it took for that one person to get Catherine of Valois put back in their Plantagenets nom, I'm not even gonna TRY to argue that my gay monarchs should be together. They aren't even close to being contemporaneous, lmao.

Next time I will make an evidence post and ask the mods if there's any category name/framing that would be acceptable to get them together. But ultimately I may just nom them for different exchanges that aren't as strict.

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

cyrt

I mainly think a challenge would be worthwhile because I suspect they rejected it while basically thinking 'everybody should know that this wouldn't get accepted after last year' and imo that's some bullshit thinking on their part! If they can keep querying about which of the fucking seven dwarves some nominator wants instead of all of them, they can work from the assumption that somebody nominating under a not obviously banned RPF fandom name is doing so in good faith and ask if there's an alternate fandom name/some more acceptable way of expressing the way the characters are linked! Like, the tagset may be vast, and a shit-ton of work to compile, but if the characters are obviously eligible in their own right they shouldn't get tossed out of hand. Not everybody does Yuletide every year and/or follows every wrinkle of every rules discussion avidly, and that shouldn't be a barrier to entry!

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

At the same time, it was suggested to check previous years' examples for possibly-too-broad rpf, if you bother to read the official post about eligibility. Even if you don't look for it, it was also very obviously something that needed evidence post based on the examples given. I am not quite on board with the recent philosophy of narrowing down fandoms as much as possible, to say nothing of some other decisions about dividing and combining, but it's there and in this case it's on the nominator seemingly not even bothering to look at the rules properly.

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Though if there's a criticism to be made here, it's on the person going "you should argue it back in despite not having read the rules" rather than the person saying "oh well, I didn't read the rules, that's on me"

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

From ‘Eligible Nominations for Yuletide 2020’ (9/12/2020): Fandoms will be approved if their total number of qualifying stories on archiveofourown.org and fanfiction.net, added together, is less than 1,000. A story must be in English, complete, and at least 1,000 words long to be a qualifying story. Crossovers are included in the total.

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These fandom labels are considered too broad and will not be accepted regardless of numbers:
Actor RPF, Ancient History RPF, [country] Actor RPF, Literary RPF, Music RPF, Sports RPF, History RPF.

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Real Person Fiction
Character nominations are required. A person who is tagged in over 1,000 works on AO3 (unfiltered) is not eligible in any RPF category.

In addition to fandoms that are excluded for being too broad (Actor RPF, Ancient History RPF, [country] Actor RPF, Literary RPF, Music RPF, Sports RPF, and History RPF), some RPF fandoms, such as Hockey RPF, are too big. Sports teams are acceptable fandoms when a sport as a whole has too many fics.

We will not accept Donald Trump, people who are famous for willing participation in the Nazi regime, or serial killers alive after 1900.

Please err on the side of a narrow rather than a broad label for an RPF category (i.e., nominate by groups of connected people, rather than just by century or profession.). The less specific the fandom name, the more likely it is to be rejected - even if it is a canonical tag on AO3. The fandom name must be a clear and accurate description of the group nominated. The looser the connection between the characters and the fandom, the less likely the fandom or all the characters are to be accepted (for example, we will sometimes allow partners of characters nominated in an RPF fandom; but we would not generally allow their friends. Similarly, for a sports team we'd allow players, surrounding staff etc, but not rivals). RPF characters must be famous in their own right, regardless of whether or not they have a relationship with a famous person.

If there are multiple nominated RPF fandoms with closely overlapping lists, the fandoms may be merged - so we encourage you to coordinate with fellow fans when nominating. Please also pay attention to the nominations clarification posts that go up on this community as we sort tags, just in case we have questions about your category.

From ’Tag Set Now Open!’ (9/22/2020): RPF and Anthropomorphic fandoms must be nominated with characters.

From ‘Nominations Warnings’ (9/27/2020): Please err on the side of a narrow rather than a broad label for an RPF category, even if the broad label is what AO3 offers you as a canonical. For example, 20th Century Literary RPF is too broad.

Important: You do not have to use a tag that already exists on the Archive. By all means, use it if it fits, but when, for example, the form suggests 'Actor RPF', ignore the suggestion and input your own choice.

From ‘Last Day to Nominate - Allow for Archive Downtime’ (9/30/2020): RPF fandoms will not approved if the fandom is too big or too vague - this is as well as the eligibility test applied to their characters. RPF and anthropomorphic fandoms need to be nominated with characters; for other types of fandom, whether to nominate characters is up to you.



So! This is the entirety of what the mods had to say about RPF nominations, before and during the nominations period* - and nowhere in there is a suggestion to read back through previous years' decisions to figure out if you're trying to nominate something that has previously run afoul of the rules. Nor is there any guidance re: giving evidence for RPF in any of the discussion of posting to the evidence post. I'll grant you that the coalie in question should probs have at least named the category something like LGBT British/English Monarchs or similar, since that would have brought it into the realm of more specific the mods prefer - and that an evidence post could also have helped - but if the mods want people to know *in general* that they don’t want to make rulings about how historical figures might have identified, then they should put a line about that in the rules. No categories explicitly based on identity head-canons sounds pretty solid to me!

*Aside from the digression in comments about whether it was fair to not apply the 'in English' filter to RPF characters.

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I disagree with whether the mods should have let that in, but that's still a useful and clear summary of the information available, so props to you, coalie.

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

Oh, I dunno that I'm even arguing that it should've been let in *as nominated*, since last year's similar case at least had the good sense to throw a nationality into their fandom name*! Mainly I'm on team 'the rules need to ACTUALLY be in the rules' and team 'no, actually, you're the one who needs to have read the rules, I believe'. Still, thanks - I don't come to play when it comes to things that you can gather concrete evidence for!

*and last year's case wouldn't even have helped name this year's because this is a much more gen-focused nominator!

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

NC, and, it didn't take a lot of work? The mods made a decision (based on two different people, at least, apparently, nominating things under "Plantagenet RPF" in different centuries), the Catherine nominator complained, the mods agreed to rearrange their categories. And if the nominator had made an evidence post in the first place this might have been completely bypassed.

The lesson I take from this (and my own similar experience this year) is to make evidence posts for my weird RPF groupings so as to hopefully avoid even this much work (which was really not much).

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

Brian is missing from The Breakfast Club

LOL, really?

Re: TAGSET

[(Anonymous)]

Yep! The other four (i.e. the canon het*) are there, but not poor Brian. Not that people wanting Bender/Brian couldn't get around that by just requesting Bender and saying in optional details - after giving some solo prompts for Bender - that also they ship him with Brian if their writer is so inclined.

*I could be wrong and this could be somebody who wants Andrew/Bender and Allison/Claire, but 'wants canon het' is what it looks like without additional info!