This is Yuletide, everybody make a scene

[coalcube]

I am the sock with the tear-away face

Low-effort with your gift and gone without a trace

I am the "who" when you call, "Who does an exchange without acknowledging their gift?"
I am the wanker blowing through your fics comments
I am the coalie dragging your letter at night
Filling your exchange to the brim with fright!

This is Coaltide!

Nominations: Tuesday 22 September to Thursday 1 October

Sign-ups: Friday 16 October to Monday 26 October

Assignments out: between 26 & 28 October

Default deadline: Friday 11 December

Assignment Deadline: Friday 18 December

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Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

Actual coalies with this opinion can correct me, but they dislike the idea that FFN = trash weebfic, expect Yuletide participants still to read FFNfic even though I’m sure the average 18 year old participant has never once been to the site, and dislike that a lot of old fandoms would suddenly become eligible.

For the last one, I suspect the reason it eats at them is because it wouldn’t be THEIR old fandom, which tragically has an Ao3 full of xposting of old fic or had single fandom archive be merged with Ao3. Or their current fandom is full of trash fic and they don’t like the idea that people who have the majority of their trash fic on FFN getting a reset when they can’t. If they’re fucked, everyone should be fucked too.

Some people also just think their fandom of one will lose eyeballs if a more popular fandom gets in.

I honestly think if you do away with FFN and drop the max limit then that would shut the pro-FFN crowd up and still suit the majority of Ao3-only participants. Have the cutoff be 700 works or whatever and be done with it!

Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Also mentioning Wattpad is relevant. If Yuletide REALLY cared about being fair, they would add Wattpad. If FFN lost their easy sorting methods or had another purge, I bet the mods would drop it. The only reason they keep it is because it’s easy, and the reason they won’t touch Wattpad even though its where a huge number of new fandoms have their fic posted is because it’s hard. So older fandoms are punished, but newer fandoms can be in Yuletide forever because theres 300 fics on Ao3 but 5k longfics over on Wattpad.

Pro-FFN people should be campaigning for Wattpad to be counted because it failing to be means a lot of new megafandoms get in, and I’m sorry but I bet there are way more Wattpad/Tumblr/Twitter & Ao3 writers/readers these days than there are FFN & Ao3 writers/readers. (Most are Ao3 only, which is the major point.) If they’re sooooooo concerned with being fair and that the quality of fic doesn’t matter for any FFN needs to stay, make morbane’s ass go digging through Wattpad for eligibility for every single fandom too.

I bet all the principled stances of the mods for why FFN needs to stay would be dropped if they had to do that extra work of actually following the logic.

Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

Wattpad isn't "hard", it's impossible.

If you want Wattpad to be counted, provide the mods with a way to actually count every work for a given fandom that's over 1000 words, complete, and in English; otherwise quit whining about the "double standard".

Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

That's... a lot of projection going on.

Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

NC

Lol they literally said they were speculating about people’s opinions since no one was defending it.

Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

It’s all stuff that’s been said in defense of it before. Both coal comms have paid search, you can verify for yourself :)

Re: FFN

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly think if you do away with FFN and drop the max limit then that would shut the pro-FFN crowd up and still suit the majority of Ao3-only participants. Have the cutoff be 700 works or whatever and be done with it!

I'm not sure if that would make people be quiet, especially because if you dropped the max limit to 700, that would be a large cut of 30%. It would mean that currently anyone whose fandoms are over 700 would immediately lose those fandoms. So even if that would get rid of the complaints (and I'm not sure it would) you'd probably get a whole bunch of unrelated people annoyed.