This is Yuletide, everybody make a scene

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I am the sock with the tear-away face

Low-effort with your gift and gone without a trace

I am the "who" when you call, "Who does an exchange without acknowledging their gift?"
I am the wanker blowing through your fics comments
I am the coalie dragging your letter at night
Filling your exchange to the brim with fright!

This is Coaltide!

Nominations: Tuesday 22 September to Thursday 1 October

Sign-ups: Friday 16 October to Monday 26 October

Assignments out: between 26 & 28 October

Default deadline: Friday 11 December

Assignment Deadline: Friday 18 December

Yuletide Discord for Hippos. Google Group for PHs. F_F wiki for history.

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Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

So it's probably not worth explaining, but the reason why Yuletide fandoms get commented on as Yuletide fandoms? It's so the bunch of volunteer wranglers can canonise or otherwise sort them as soon as possible after the collection opens. This happens with a lot of collections, including things like Jukebox and other fandoms where mods go out of their way to read the guidelines and approve fandom names that are as close to canonisable as possible.

And the reason why unrevealed fandoms don't get canonised in advance? Would you want to go to an Archive (or a library) and find it has a listing for a specific thing you wanted to find, only to discover the listing is totally empty? No.

Fandoms also don't get canonised on works in draft. Until the work is live, there's no real guarantee it'll ever be live and need an index point for people to navigate to. Shroedinger's fandom.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

I think they mean the cases where there is an unrevealed fic (in this case a drabble) that hh/the mod wranglers clearly see exists, thus making the fandom tag eligible to be made canon, yet they choose to comment “Don’t touch until Yuletide reveals” and leave it all unwrangled.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

Until the work is live (that means "revealed"), there's no guarantee it'll ever be live and need an index point for people to navigate to.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

Again, you aren’t understanding.

October 1: I write and post a fic for Ghost Blue outside of any exchange. My work is on the archive that anyone can read right now. The Ghost Blue tag is unwrangled.

Nov 5: Yuletide author posts their unrevealed gift for Ghost Blue. There are now 2 works on the tag, my revealed fic and their unrevealed one.

Nov 15: Comment on the Ghost Blue tag by hh saying that no wrangler should touch the GB tag until Yuletide reveals.

This makes no sense under Ao3 rules. The minute hh saw that there was a public fic on the tag while they were doing their Yuletide rounds, they should have canonized it (as one of the few wranglers with the authorization to do so) like they would any other fandom that was waiting to be wrangled, and then another wrangler could have cleaned up the rest of the tags/claimed it as their own.

Deciding to leave it unwrangled AND using their head mod powers so that no other advanced wrangler can touch it without getting in trouble is what the OP was saying is stupid.

This is different from a fandom with 0 (unrevealed) fic, which is what you are talking about.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

+ 1

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

There's also no guarantee that a work will stay live. An author could just delete the only fic for a fandom and that would have the same effect.

The logical conclusion would be to only display an "index point" to the users once there's a revealed work posted for it. Is that really so difficult to code?

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

If only you spent half as much time reading what was actually said as you did with your passive-aggressive HTML tags.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

coalie i think you meant "revealed" in that first sentence. the other coalie's reply makes sense w/ you saying "unrevealed" instead

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

You're a special kind of idiot for defending this when you clearly don't even know what's being talked about.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

"Would you want to go to an Archive (or a library) and find it has a listing for a specific thing you wanted to find, only to discover the listing is totally empty? No."

Yes, actually. I'd much rather take that, and be happy knowing there will be a work that becomes visible soon, than having tons of hidden fics that I will never even know exists.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Normal libraries often have pre-orders searchable and you can place holds on them.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

This actually happened to me back when they canonized a fandom with an unrevealed fic in it. It's no big deal. It's certainly no worse than clicking on a tiny fandom you like and discovering the one fic for it is about your NOTP.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

Or clicking on a tiny fandom all "wow, there's fic for that? Cool!!" and immediately finding out it's some kind of fusionfic you absolutely don't understand.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

And the reason why unrevealed fandoms don't get canonised in advance? Would you want to go to an Archive (or a library) and find it has a listing for a specific thing you wanted to find, only to discover the listing is totally empty? No.

Fandoms also don't get canonised on works in draft. Until the work is live, there's no real guarantee it'll ever be live and need an index point for people to navigate to. Shroedinger's fandom.

It's much more probable that the fic will go live than otherwise, though. Someone's hypothetical disappointment seems kinda like a silly reason for the actual disappointment many YT participants feel over this non-canonising business...?

But it's AO3 and I rarely get AO3 logic.

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

cyrt

LOL what. This doesn't answer my question at all, which was: why aren't fandoms canonicized when there's already a drabble posted in that fandom, revealed and outside any exchanges?

Re: Mini-Challenges

[(Anonymous)]

Would you want to go to an Archive (or a library) and find it has a listing for a specific thing you wanted to find, only to discover the listing is totally empty? No.

And yet they don't un-canonize a fandom when the only work for it is deleted. (Which has happened to one of my tiny fandoms.) Somehow I survived the heartbreak.