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coalie ([personal profile] coalcube) wrote in [community profile] coaltide2020-01-01 04:21 pm
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Offseason #1

Use this post for any exchanges running from January onwards into the first quarter of the year. Try to keep final Yuletide thoughts in the last coal post of 2019 for ease of conversation.

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Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
If they're possessing and controlling the wives, how is that dubcon for them?

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
The request is for the wives to have done a ritual specifically to pull their husbands down for sex. The wives consented ahead of time by specifically planning and trying to get possessed during sex, but the dead husband's presumably didn't find out about the whole thing until they were there.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, then the husbands being pulled into their bodies is at best dubcon. But once they possess the wives, they're in control, unless they're not using the word possession correctly.

Feels like the recips assumptions is that the husbands are going to be a-ok with it all, and not find it dubconny at all. I get that, but I'd personally be afraid to cross a line the recip didn't like.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
The DNW is "dub-con/non-con where a woman is the victim (female aggressors fine)"

It doesn't matter how dubconny or not it is towards the husbands. Since the wives are specifically aiming for this outcome the recip clearly doesn't consider it dubcon towards them.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
It'd be nice if they clarified that somewhere, then, since it's obviously a grey area and DNWs are such a fraught issue in general.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
Have you even checked the letter? Between the very specific DNW, the prompt itself, and their note on dub-con/non-con (which is also listed in their likes) it is very clear.

That note, for anyone not looking at the letter:

"**Note on Dub-Con/Non-Con: Most of the time I’m really enthusiastically into dub-con/non-con and the resultant trauma and aftermath of it, but there's a number of requests for this exchange where I'd rather it not be a thing. In an earlier version of this letter, I had canon-specific DNWs indicating that I wasn't up for it in a number of ships, but I've since realized that a general "DNW: dub-con/non-con where a woman is the victim" pretty much covers it and streamlines things a bit."

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
DC ...I'm actually more confused now.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
I'd read the horror version of this where the widows have all these ~plans but the husbands come back Wrong, and do all sorts of fucked up things with and to their wives' bodies.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't read it as them being fully in control, more that the wives have called them down and they're along for the ride now.

Re: Chocolate Box - Letter Discussion

(Anonymous) 2020-01-07 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
+1