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You can still pay your sensitivity reader/editor/bigotry-picker if you don't make any money off the work.

Compensating then fairly for that labor is more important than your chance to turn a profit

them, ffs me

I think the conclusion was just not to use one, not to demand free labor from anyone. Though we're all getting that from writers in this exchange, fanfic isn't for profit. At least not on ao3.

AYRT

I actually agree that the DNW is stupid and unenforceable

What I should have said is that an alternative to asking a strangers of a different ethnic background to do work for free is to put the call out for a paid bigotry-picking/sensitivity reading gig on one of the discords. (Not AO3 itself, where it's against the rules.)

If someone volunteers and declines payment that's on them

DA I am all for compensating people for labor, but this isn't about profit or not profit. We are all here doing this as a labor of love. I would hazard that a significant amount of people who do yuletide do not have the ability to pay for readers/editors/anything for their fic. Your argument essentially says that if you don't have money to pay someone, you shouldn't be writing fanfiction. That feels like a very weird take in a fandom space.

This. I've done sensitivity reading for people and I see it as another type of beta work. I've never paid for beta work or been paid for it. It's all labor of love and part of being a community.

+2 When I write professionally, I always pay my editors and sensitivity readers. For fannish writing, I look for volunteers. Do people pay their Yuletide beta’s?

I understand the request. Running into a fix that takes something personal to you and gets it painfully, egregiously wrong happens in the wild, but it would be ugly if that was a gift.

It’s not an enforceable DNW, though.

Yeah I went for pithiness over clarity.

What I should have said is that an alternative to asking a strangers of a different ethnic background to do work for free is to put the call out for a paid bigotry-picking/sensitivity reading gig on one of the discords. (Not AO3 itself, where it's against the rules.)

Not as a requirement but as an alternative option to the uncomfortable situation of asking marginalized strangers to perform free labor related to their marginalization.

I'm gonna leave it at this because I'm already acting pretty wanky and I don't want to end up spending my evening being stressed and wanky

No one is hiring a sensitivity reader for their Yuletide assignment.

The alternatives to "I feel uncomfortable asking someone do sensitivity read for free" are: get over your discomfort and ask anyway; don't bother using a sensitivity reader; or pay someone to do it.

I really wish the side of fic fandom was more like art side of fandom when it comes to commissioning works and services.

DA

The alternatives to "I feel uncomfortable asking someone do sensitivity read for free" are: get over your discomfort and ask anyway; don't bother using a sensitivity reader; or pay someone to do it.

Yes, and the best alternative is "don't bother using a sensitivity reader". It's a ridiculous demand to ask or hire a sensitive reader for your fic exchange assignment. This isn't even worth considering.

I disagree. One year I was writing a YT fic about a character whose Jewish faith was very important to her. I'm not Jewish, and while the canon had a few interesting tidbits, she wasn't the main character. I did my best to research, wrote my fic, and asked someone who was Jewish to beta. Not only was my beta able to find two things that didn't ring true, but she also found a few other points where the character's actions could be tied more clearly to her faith and upbringing, in ways that brought the fic to a whole new level.

If I had signed up to write for, for example, Reservation Dogs this year, I would definitely look for a sensitivity beta.

You're doing fandom right, coalie <33 I appreciate you

And honestly, cultural and other specific topic betas have been a thing for as long as regular betas have.

Turn a profit? This is Yuletide. No one's turning a profit here.

NCYRT

You can still pay your sensitivity reader/editor/bigotry-picker if you don't make any money off the work.

With what money, exactly? I guess I could do a Gofundme, but I'm not sure "please donate so I can pay a sensitivity reader to check my Yuletide assignment" would get any bites.

Do you pay your regular betas?

its a fanfic. i am not going to pay people to beta a fanfic and people shouldnt be charging bc fanfics are not for profit in any direction

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