Offseason #1

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Use this post for any exchanges running from January onwards into the first quarter of the year. Try to keep final Yuletide thoughts in the last coal post of 2019 for ease of conversation.

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[(Anonymous)]

Weird coincidence, but there's a link in the questions thread.

Re: Questions thread

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! I totally misremembered the year.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

Their entire sign-up reads more like a nonconathon or consent issues sign-up and ask for what you want I guess, but man they don't seem to get this exchange doesn't guarantee darkfic. Just seems like a recipe for everyone being unhappy.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

Just seems like a recipe for everyone being unhappy.

Speaking as someone actively trying to game to be their author, I wouldn't necessarily assume that. It's much more likely to lead to the kind of fic you want than giving 'outs' just to please all kinds of authors.

[(Anonymous)]

There was a thread somewhere in the last post about that one Dr. Doom Yuletide porn fic that we mostly figured was by someone young trying really hard.

I don't know anything about the artist you're linking, so it's hard to say if they are also an unskilled person trying very hard, or not. In both cases I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt, tbh, though I obviously understand not everyone feels that way. I wouldn't be thrilled to get either thing as a gift or treat, but that's the risk with an exchange.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between only asking for what you want by listing only darkfic prompts... vs DNWing everything *except* darkfic, which is boxing in any author who doesn't want to write non-con/dub-con until they're basically forced to default. The latter is bad exchange etiquette. Sometimes, your author just can't write what you want, and they should be able to ODAO in that case with the understanding that you won't like what they wrote.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

CYRT

Yeah, I probably would have phrased it as "I'm not really interested in consensual/happy scenarios" rather than a straight-forwards DNW, but I think making it clear is best for both the recip and the author.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

True, but is also really unfortunate if someone who hadn't read the sign ups offers Snow White/Prince and then realizes they're not allowed to write anything that involves legitimate consent or romance. They're basically being railroaded into writing something non-consensual (because even a sex-free non-romantic argument could be viewed as taking place in a legitimately consenting relationship) and that's not fair.

Ideally, I'd like to DNW any fic that doesn't include my kink of choice but I would never do so because it's railroading your author into writing something that might squick them, or defaulting.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you've talked me around, coalies, and I'm a little embarrassed. But thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for letting me know that!

Is it best to put that we welcome art treats in the opening paragraph of the letter? Does it need to go in the sign up as well?

[(Anonymous)]

Quel cul t'as.

To my eternal shame, it's one of the few bits of French I know.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

+1

You can't DNW consent, you can't DNW "anything that isn't a coffeeshop AU", you can't request an m/m pairing and then DNW slash in order to make your writer rule 63 it, you can't DNW characters being cis, etc. DNWs are not an end run around optional details being optional.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

DC I doubt it's enforceable, tbh.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

You can't DNW consent,

That really depends on the pairing. You can DNW consent for a number of OW ships, and you can probably also DNW it for some dark fanfic ships.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

NA

For those OW ships, the lack of consent is baked into the tag so there's no reason to DNW it.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

Some people will still manage to give them a consensual twist if you don't straightforward DNW it. You really think there's no one out there who will write sappy fluff about things like "Male Conqueror/Female spoils of war" or" Lecherous Male Taxi Driver/Drunk Party Girl without Panties"?

[(Anonymous)]

Ceci nes pa whichever word you used that means ass?

[(Anonymous)]

From Middle French cul, from Old French, from Latin cūlus, from Proto-Indo-European *kuH-l-, zero-grade without s-mobile form of *(s)kewH- (“to cover”).

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

+1

A lot of people DNWed consent/romance/fluff in Relationshipping, but you should absolutely know going in that there are two sides of that kink to which people have strong preferences.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

DC +1

Also, there's a way that people can guarantee they'll get noncon/the kink of their dreams/other. There's multiple tagmatching exchanges and special interest exchanges where you are guaranteed the tags you request, and the people matching you on them will have offered to create for those tags.

Chocolate Box is just a really bad match for this kind of request, on both the creator and recip side.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

That's the same argument saying that people only wanting shipfic shouldn't do Yuletide, except it's even less true here because requests in Chocolate Box are public and people can avoid you / game towards you.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

You can safely assume lot more people are into shipping than are into noncon. And a platonic relationships DNW would not stand.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

It might not be enforceable, but it helps convey to your author what kind of fic you don't want.

Re: Chocolate Box

[(Anonymous)]

You can't DNW gen in Yuletide. This is the same situation. They could request all noncon (just like someone can only request shipping in Yuletide), but they can't DNW consent, romance, and happy endings.