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Coalie in Post-DeadlineLand

Coalie was beginning to get very tired of waiting for their gift to be posted, and of having nothing to shake: once or twice they had peeped into the tags of the fic their dentist had been gifted, but it had no characters or freeforms on it, "and what is the use of a fic," thought Coalie, "without ships or tags?"

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I think it's this: https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/401891.html?thread=2370364643#cmt237

What the actual fuck, Morbane.

Here's the main comment, for coalies who don't want to go to FFA:

Nonnie above who mentioned a YT gift containing my trigger. I specifically wrote my DNWs to say I didn't even want miscarriage mentioned because it was a huge trigger for me. The gift fic had a few lines of conversation about miscarriage.

Morbane said my writer mentioning it was fine and it would only be considered a DNW if they had written a scene about it.

sc

And here's further up the thread where the mod talk started. More than one complaint about similar modding, particularly by Morbane, is mentioned.

https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/401891.html?thread=2369404131#cmt2369404131

That's some serious bullshit. I hope you left a comment pointing out that it violated your DNW and rejected it.

If your DNW was even mention of it and it was mentioned, that's pretty cut and fucking dried.

not in morbane's eyes, apparently. pretty revealing that several people came forward, and this is just towards the end of *one* post on ffa--i bet there are tons more out there with similar experiences.

I think the whole Cult of Nice defaults to having one upset person being better than two.They deal with what's there and get it over with as fast as possible even if it leaves the already upset person upset by dismissing it instead of opening a new loop of potential conflict by dealing with writers who've broken the rules.

It's wrong, but I think that's the way they handle things.

I am furious that the mods are screwing recipients over so damn much. What the hell.

cyrt

If it had happened to me, I would have shouted about it in namespace everywhere, but I'm an asshole who doesn't mind conflict. I don't know if nonny talking about their experience talked about it publicly at the time. I feel for them.

WHAT. I'd have wanked about this until Yuletide collapsed on itself in a pile of smoke and fire. Then, I'd have stomped on the ashes. Is she unaware how fucking devastating this is?

I'd like to know who's the asshole writer who just couldn't stay away from it. I don't see how one could just casually slip a miscarriage discussion into fic.

Seriously. This seems so weird and so specific that I don't see how or why someone would need to "casually slip a miscarriage discussion into fic." Unless it's a canonical miscarriage, in which case it seems like a really complex situation.

I would really like receipts on this. Either the OP requested a canon that maybe they shouldn't have, given their triggers, or the writer is not just clueless but malicious and should be banned. Or possibly someone thought this would be a great scenario to piss off ffa and coal.

"I don't see how or why someone would need to "casually slip a miscarriage discussion into fic." Unless it's a canonical miscarriage, in which case it seems like a really complex situation."

I can't imagine it would be that hard to not mention almost anything thing in any canon no matter how important it is to the source. So the writer did a really shitty thing by mentioning this.

nc

IF the canon's whole everything revolved around this hypothetical miscarriage, I could see it being a case of one person wanting something radically different from fic than another person, but that's a huge and unlikely if.

Most canon miscarriages don't happen in a vacuum and it would be so easy to not even bring it up.

Right. Even if the thing revolved around a miscarriage, there's a way. Plenty of ways.

Like a request for Rosemary's Baby with a DNW of "please don't even mention the pregnancy or the baby" would not that be hard to do, and the baby is even in the canon title. And I'm betting the canon in question didn't have miscarriage as huge a plot point as RB did the baby.

I continue to fume on behalf of this recip.

I can think of one, and only one, canon where it could be difficult to write present-day fic without mentioning it. But I think anyone struggling with that as an issue would probably have noped out of reading the last book and have explicitly spelt out how they wanted that handled.

My best guess is some kind of discussion of not telling people about the pregnancy until later because of the risk of miscarriage. Insensitive and thoroughly skippable, but that's the only reason I can think of to even include it.

I went looking through the collection - not out of doubt of this account, because I fully believe it, but just because I kind of like sleuthing - and the only fics with miscarriage tagged actually got effusive praise from their recips. I'm kind of stunned by how many fics I've encountered with pregnancy loss, stillbirth, and similar traumatic outcomes. May need to adjust my DNWs accordingly next year.

As a third party, I can understand a discussion like that in the story not pinging the writer as breaking the DNW; they might not even have considered it a reference, depending on whether they alluded to it without saying the word.

But I would 100% expect the fucking mods to deal with it no matter what.

I'm sure it's not tagged and probably came as a nasty surprise. If they'd tagged miscarriage, there's no way a mod could say it didn't violate a "please don't mention miscarriage" DNW.

That's (part of) the thing, though - Morbane said merely mentions didn't violate the DNW, despite the phrasing being "no mentions." To quote from the FFA comment:

I specifically wrote my DNWs to say I didn't even want miscarriage mentioned because it was a huge trigger for me. The gift fic had a few lines of conversation about miscarriage.

Morbane said my writer mentioning it was fine and it would only be considered a DNW if they had written a scene about it.

Honestly, a handful of the fics that had miscarriage tagged only had a mention (example: https://archiveofourown.org/works/8888593) and the tag was meant as a warning. I honestly didn't expect the tagged fics to turn up the DNW-violation, I was just curious as to the circumstances where you might include miscarriage in a fic.

The broader implications, beyond this particular person having Yuletide permanently ruined, is that Morbane (and maybe other mods, it's not clear) don't give a shit how you word your DNWs - they're not going to consider it a DNW violation if it doesn't take up much space in the fic. That's been the theme over and over when people talk about their DNW violations being disregarded.

It's a crazy way to look at DNWs. What happens if a recip doesn't want death and there's one sentence at the end that says "and then he died" or whatever? Major character death, but only mentioned in one sentence at the end so it's fine??

Exactly.

If mods don't want to actually deal with obvious DNWs they shouldn't be modding Yuletide, period.

nc

Didn't that kind of happen with one fic last year? First it was an explicit death, then after the mod enforced an edit it was an implied death everyone in the fandom fucking well knew was a death? And the mods let it be?

I don't think it was last year. It was a fic for Darker Than Black. Unless this has happened yet again.

https://yuletide-coal.dreamwidth.org/5062.html?thread=19129286#cmt1912928
(It was 2015)

There's also someone who's posted on FFA about getting a fic that violated a character death DNW by being about her fave posthumously - all Fave's friends reminiscing about good times with Fave after his death. Mods decided it was fine because Fave didn't die onscreen.

It's really shitty. It's like they really want to go back to the old free-for-all Slave Bear days, but they know they can't stuff the DNW genie back in the bottle, so they enforce DNWs as grudgingly and sparingly as they possibly can. I'd rather they drop the pretense so we all know what we're getting into.

There's also someone who's posted on FFA about getting a fic that violated a character death DNW by being about her fave posthumously - all Fave's friends reminiscing about good times with Fave after his death.

Jesus H. Why would anybody write that for somebody who DNWed character death. How does that not fucking compute for people?

If they requested pregnancy, I can see it happening accidentally - if I write a pregnancy fic I am reasonably likely to have people discuss why and how pregnancy is risky, because it does come up, even if everything goes fine. And this sounds like it mightve been on the level of someone saying "yeah, I stopped doing x because of the risks".

Not an excuse for ignoring a DNW, but they wouldn't have had to be trolling deliberately.

Jesus, SAME. I want the recip to name and shame. I'll wank on her behalf!

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